"It's the exception, not the rule" is what I was thinking, I knew it was not what you were saying. I was using this person's situation AS the extreme. That stated, my assumption is, she IS the exception to the rule. I would imagine that most people whose illness is severe do not work and that seems to be the category of people we are most describing (to me at least). I will try to look it up. But, yes, what you stated is the very point I was making with her. And, I was employed despite my illness from when I was 16 until 5 years ago when I decided to be a stay at home mom, the hardest job I have ever had. While there have been times I have been a terrible employee, a worse mom, and a few lost jobs, I have still worked. I would consider my illness severe. I hear what you are saying and I agree with the majority of it. I am just saying it depends on the individual. I don't think that so many as you are describing use their illness as a crutch. And this topic, working vs not working is a complicated topic.View Thread
Do you remember the woman on the boards for a while, I can't remember her name, but she was a distinguished scientist, still working, with severe Bipolar Disorder. I believe she said she had, at one time, been hospitalized for 8 months. She is an example of what you are describing, I think. She is an example of someone who is not inhibited by her illness. I think that is notable and her example is a goal to be attained. But, I think she is the exception and not the rule. There are certain limitations that the illness can place on people in their everyday lives, certainly not always. Not everyone has either the ability to work, for example, or sometimes even the ability to function on their own. I think it depends on the individual.View Thread
I didn't take the post personally. I was using my life experiences as an example to show that I don't believe many people use their diagnosis as a license to excuse bad behavior as seems to be the tone of the thread. I am just one of many but I am one who frequents these boards and so I am confident that there are many others with similar stories. I added the lying example because you cited lying it in your original post. I don't think as many people as implied are part of the "bipolar, make an excuse for my behavior club." I not only do, absolutely, believe that bipolar can cause certain behaviors but I also I agree with you completely that those behaviors are our responsibility. I think a majority share the perspective that bipolar can cause certain behaviors but does not excuse those behaviors. I think we agree on everything else! I appreciate your perspective and I also think it is very important not to be defined by your diagnosis. I agree that not everything is about bipolar.
I just want to add one more thing about the lying. The reason, aside from it being out of my character, that I know I was unwell and acting from that is, at 15, I was deeply cutting my skin, writing things in my own blood, leaving class daily terrified of nothing, and crying a large portion of my day even while at school. Later, when I became so stable, my parents and I decided I had been under demonic influence, that wasn't the case, I am and was in fact Bipolar. But, either way, while I am still responsible for the horrible lies I told, I was, again, out of my mind. I'm just saying I'm not so quick to assume that most people with mental illness are using their illness to get a get out of jail free card. There are exceptions and people as you have described of course.View Thread
Also, I started cycling when I was a young teen. At 15, I told heinous lies, lies of which I honestly still carry tremendous guilt. Do I blame my Bipolar for my lies? No. But, I think that they came from an extremely unstable teenage mind. Do I think I would have told those lies if I did not suffer from Bipolar? Absolutely not, it was outside of my character. Do I think all of my bad behavior has occurred while manic? Not at all. But, I do think that there are clear periods of instability and poor decisions in my life that I can account to my illness.View Thread
I agree with this but only to am extent. I think you should always take responsibility for your actions but I also think that bipolar disorder absolutely causes us to behave in certain ways. I am not sure about others but there have been times while manic that I have been, by definition, insane. My manias, especially before I was medicated, lasted months. I normally am very mild mannered in temper (very) but when I am manic, and then only, I am not. I am an upbeat, joyful, energetic human when I am manic, but I also am raging with anger when set off. Just to show how out of mind I can be, I once took a six hour shower LOADED with delusions...namely that The Lord was casting out demons from me. My husband came in after about 2 hours and I screamed at him. He was terrified of the whole situation. I have also foundry self in the basement, banging my head against the wall in a rage, I could go on. Now, do I take responsibility for these actions and feel horrible for them? Absolutely. Do I think they are because of my illness? Entirely. I could name other behaviors as well, most of them bizarre, that I would say are the cause of my illness but I still feel responsible for. I don't believe my illness defines me but it is a major part of who I am.View Thread
Hi again! Without me even asking, when I told my pdoc about the overwhelming suicidal thoughts, he suggested and prescribed Zoloft. This did surprise me after what you said (and after a visit to the hospital courtesy of my previous pdoc without the mention of an antidepressant). Would you recommend I take it (I was afraid to mention what you had said to him)? I shouldn't be overly concerned about tailspinning back into mania? More than likely it just won't work as you mentioned? I wanted it but now I am concerned to take it.View Thread
4. Whats on your computer desk (besides your computer) ? Printer, diaper/wipe carrier, small nativity scene (stays up all year
5. What color are the socks that you are wearing right now? Purple and black
6. What design or saying is on your favorite coffee or tea cup? Deep coffee cup with swirls
7. Pick all that apply. Would you say that you are, A little goofy, A very serious person, Very quiet, Wild, Quite loud, Funny, Well balanced and/or In your own little world? Goofy sometimes but mostly a very serious person and sometimes quite loud. Almost never well balanced, lol.
8. What kind of art work do you have decorating your living room? A large picture of Paris, large pictures of my kiddos, a candelabra, a picture of the letter H (for my last name) and lots of picture frames.
9. What are the color of the towels in your bath room? Teal and gold
10. Do you collect things as a hobby? What things do you collect? Pictures? That's all I can think of.View Thread