You are talking of overt side effects. Heaven only knows what is happening with any drug we take that is either not apparent or not immediately apparent. Beta blockers prevent the body's natural physical reactions and thus prevent the body from rising to meet the physical demands of heightened physical and emotional exertion. Their use could cause possible weakness in legs, a decrease in HDL, a rise in triglycerides, an increase in blood sugar. They can weaken the heart and could cause heart failure. Is there any med that does not have the potential of doing more harm than good?
last night in the evening I was hungry and cooked 2/3 cup oatmeal dry and added a little fat free tomato sauce. A little later ate more oatmeal with a banana mashed in. This morning my blood sugar was 86. A1c 5.4 T2 for twenty years, no meds.
Perhaps the doctor meant that insulin is a fat storage hormone and people often gain weight when using it. However, if she follows a good diet and stays away from junk food then she will lose some weight and possibly be able to reduce or come off insulin.
A low carb diet may be wonderful but why people insist it is paleolithic is beyond me. It is easier to find roots and tubers than to be lucky enough to get an animal that will provide the amount of meat that modern day low carbers might eat. According to fossil evidence, our paleolithic ancestors did not live to a very old age. There has never been a fossil found of a human past the age of about 50, an age when you would be likely to develop diabetes (t2). If diabetes is often caused by over indulgence in food leading to obesity, it is also unlikely that those living in primitive conditions would have hunted and gathered enough food year round to become obese.
Modern archeologists do not rely on bones around campfires to determine the diets of our ancestors. Now they find starch granules in the teeth of ancient skulls.
Grains grow wild. Grains must have been eaten in paleolithic times. Otherwise why would neolithic people start to plant and cultivate a source of nourishment with which they were unfamiliar and did not eat already. They must have already known about its ability to be stored.
If grains heralded in the diseases you mentioned it is funny that in parts of the world that traditionally rely on rice or corn or wheat or the non grain potatoes there is less of the diseases you mentioned than in parts of the world where meat and dairy are heavily consumed.
I believe Cordain has said that if we all ate according to the low carb prescription, the planet could only sustain about one tenth of its present population.
If there are people who can't eat potatoes or rice etc then they just can't. However, do not confuse the McDougall or Esselstyn diet with the "solutions" of the nineties. If you remember, the food manufacturers got involved and frankenfoods like Snackwells were flying off the shelves. Even Dr. Ornish said in one of his books that some of his patients proudly told him they weren't eating fat but mentioned eating, instead, unrefined junk.
Starch in its pure form is not what Dr. McDougall recommends as a diet. He definitely does not recommend, for instance, cornstarch without the germ or the bran but whole corn. Or white Wonder Bread made with wheat lacking the germ or bran. He does recommend sweet potatoes which at one time were eaten in large quantities by Okinawans, among the world's longest lived people. And even white potatoes.
I personally eat more of the maximum weight loss plan which uses a larger proportion of non starchy vegetables to starches. Some who eat McDougall have interpreted the advice to eat until you are satisfied to eat all you want. Some do this and claim they lose lots and lots of weight. I often think that perhaps they do not actually want as much as I do!!
I seem to remember that Mr. Mendosa said he really lost a lot of weight when he started to use byetta. He has maintained his weight loss. I eat a low fat vegan diet and do not use multiple injections of insulin or any meds. I have lost weight and maintained normal sugar levels on the five foods which Mr. Mendosa says diabetics shouldn't eat. But this is diabetes and who knows what tomorrow will bring?
I do think it is incumbent upon everyone who tries a particular diet to look for something different if that diet does not maintain health.
I believe I specifically said that I can not argue about which diet is good for you (or anyone) and that you know your own body. How anyone can construe that to be "trying to force" one particular diet on anyone mystifies me. And I believe you were the one who wrote the post: This is what is wrong with your diet: which contained some misinformation about the McDougall diet.
I believe this is a support group. I assume that there are many who tune in and read but never post. Is it the policy of this website to only advocate one type of diet for controlling diabetes or are all welcome to contribute--even those who have had great success using something other than low carb? If only low carbers are welcome and the policy of this group is to promote only the low carb way of eating then it is only fair to post this clearly so everyone knows what to expect on this site.
And if everyone is welcome then it stands to reason that if someone writes that his sugars are rising and he needs more meds then it is reasonable to entertain opinions from either low carbers or higher carbers. And an opinion is just that. Not a show of force.
Actually, you will find many recipes in McDougall's cookbooks with nuts, seeds, avocado and soy. The amounts are limited and these foods are considered special occasion items. Fuhrman has a plant based low starch diet and insists that fats are healthy and he incorporates lots of nuts, seeds and avocados on his diet. However even he says if you have artery or heart disease to limit nuts and seeds to about one ounce. Esselstyn only limits nuts seeds avocados (and oils) in those who have heart disease (and I would add diabetes). Just about everyone recommends flaxseed.
Perhaps you are unaware that many many omnivores are B12 deficient. Especially, I am guessing if they have replaced red meat with chicken which has about 0.3 mcg B12 in about three or four ounces of meat. It takes a lot of chicken to meet the requirement. All plant based promoters advise taking B12 supplements or eating fortified food.
Jimmy Moore whose website livin la vida loca lost (and publicized the weight he lost) on his low carb diet. I do not know how many years he was on this diet but Jimmy gained a whole lot of weight. Evidently the low carb diet did not work for him forever (although one wonders why the first ten pounds didn't give him the impetus to try something new. ) Which he did. He is now on something that he calls nutritional ketosis adding more fat to the diet (and perhaps less animal protein.) Already he has lost sixty pounds. Let's keep our eye on Jimmy. His total cholesterol is over 340 and his LDL cholesterol is over 240. Jimmy is not worried. Although these numbers are high his trigs are low, he says his blood sugar and insulin are normal and his CAC shows no occlusion in his arteries. However, with that CT scan, signs of calcification predict heart disease but no signs do not mean your arteries are in good shape. Remember, only about 12% of heart attacks are from calcified arteries and the rest are from younger uncalcified plaques. And Jimmy is young. For all of us it takes years for certain degenerative diseases to develop. None of us should be lulled into complacency about our health no matter what lifestyle we choose.
Check out Atkins book, Dr Atkins Nutrition Breakthrough in which he says that some of his diabetic patients (he does not say how many) "adjust" to his diet--meaning their blood sugars start to rise. So he invents his meat and millet diet in which he adds grains and starches and says this is the best diabetic diet. I do not recall seeing any follow up on his meat and millet diet. One guy on another group suggests it is impossible for Akins' patients to have rising blood sugars on such a low carb diet. They must have been cheating. In which case Atkins would have been smart enough to figure that out.
So if you are on a low carb diet and not gaining weight and your blood sugars are fine and you do not need to increase or add meds then this diet is working for you--maybe. The same with someone on a McDougall or Esselstyn type diet.
To mention the American Heart Association advice is somewhat humorous. Just about any diet always does better than the AHA diet for heart disease. And to suggest asking your doctor about diet is usually not such good advice because he has had about 3 or 4 hours of nutrition education in med school. You probably know more about nutrition than most doctors.
There are lots and lots of people who eat a plant based diet and testify that their numbers improved and other health problems cleared up. I am sure that you have read lots of testimonies (like Jimmy Moore's) in which people swear by low carb. Everyone has to make a choice. I respectfully disagree with yours while acknowledging that although the plant based diet seems to be working for me, your low carb diet could usher in excellent health and reversal of diabetes for you.
Although there is no traditional culture that totally avoids meat, there are plenty of traditional cultures that might have meat as a condiment rather than an aliment to flavor foods. Or some very healthy blue zone Sardinians who are not vegetarian but who might eat meat only a few times per year.
If a plant based diet is extreme and unhealthy then you have to explain billions of people around the world who are healthy and have less heart disease, diabetes and cancer than in the western world and who eat diets whose staple foods are either rice, corn, potatoes, wheat or other starches like cassava, taro, sweet potatoes etc. The Hadza of East Africa are a hunter gatherer tribe whose main staple is a starchy root which the women gather. The men go out an average of twenty nine times hunting for big game before they are successful. A video on you tube followed the best hunter in the tribe on a hunt for birds. They gave up filming after a while because he was unsuccessful. So by necessity some must depend on starches.
I look in my cupboard and find there is fat naturally in corn, oatmeal and whole grains. A few nuts and seeds would provide fat if you think you won't be healthy without fat.
I cannot argue about what is the best diet for you. You know your own body and it is you who have to take the consequences of your choice. As do I with my choices. But I do see some on this group who started out low carb, their sugars rise, they start on meds, they write that they need more meds etc. And the advice always seems to be--cut back on carbs even more.
I doubt that many on this group would enjoy the movie Forks Over Knives which is available on netflix. There are at least a couple of people in that movie who got their blood sugars low enough to eliminate their meds. I am sure you can point to others who went low carb and eliminated meds. Time will tell if these people in both camps can maintain low blood sugars without meds. I do not like to use the term failure but rather prefer to ask--is this working? Is there something I can do differently? Am I doing everything I can to improve or maintain my health such as getting enough sleep and exercise and reducing stress as much as possible? If it is inevitable that we must eventually use meds or insulin is there a way to postpone it as long as possible?
I hardly know what to say to the assertion that you will be constipated without fat in your diet!! A high fruit vegetable grains and starches and legumes diet has plenty of fiber and prevents constipation. If you are familiar with Burkett who practiced medicine in Uganda, you will know that those Africans on a high fiber plant based diet did not suffer constipation as did those wealthier people on a diet including less plants and more meat and fat. Your correspondence is the first I ever heard anywhere that you will be constipated without fat in your diet. (Maybe if you are on a higher animal protein diet you do need fat to keep things moving along!) I will have to investigate this interesting concept.