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Medd diet

Is it healthy? http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2013other/news/oil.htm

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diabetes

From Pub Med; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/941870

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Dr Barnard

Did anyone see Dr Barnard on Dr Oz Friday? He mentioned that the minerals in vitamins were a definite factor...

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salt

Looks like Dr Fuhrman may have been right about his anti-salt recommendation. ...

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amylase

Dr. McD points out that since we have genes coded for amylase we are able to eat starches. Primates have only...

Posted by anon615

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Benefits of meat consumption - OK, maybe not

Hi folks, Here's a 4 min video. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/protein-puberty-and-pollutants/ ...

Posted by EngineerGuy

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Dolores

Dolores,Check the web MD diabetes message board and respond to my message.

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Olive oil study - more bad news for dr. mcd theory

http://stan-heretic.blogspot.ca/2013/02/its-olive-oil-not-veggies.html

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julia child

I just watched an old video of Julia Child, cooking with another chef. She lived to the age of 92. She sang the...

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calcium scan

Here is what I just read. "While signs of calcification from a positive scan may help predict heart disease...

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Does anyone has examples of high fat lowcarbers wh...

Do you know of any examples of Atkins or paleo heart attacks?

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white rice

Older relatives in their 90s and healthy.... eating white rice and vegetables.If thats the case then why does...

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stents?

From personal observation stents do appear to prolong life.....several realtives have had stents that ended the...

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Are you the Lp(a) - perfect carnivore type?

http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/2012/10/the-perfect-carnivore.html

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study

This study does not undercut the McDougall/Fuhrman type diets but it does raise some issues about the role of...

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things diet won't cure

Fell in the kitchen. Broke hip. Had replacement. Recovering after two weeks of rehab. Least fun I ever had in...

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The burial of the low carb myth

Hi folks, These links have extensive discussion debunking the paleo diet myths, and low carb diet myths. ...

Posted by EngineerGuy

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vit C

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/5/1194

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for debate

Heretic,EG,Shoot this down http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/5/1102.full

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Fake Obesity Experts

Hi folks, A 3 minute video. Some people like theories better than results. ...

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Actor hospitalized after adopting fruitarian diet ...

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Okinawa Centenarian Study - NO VEGETARIANS!

I just came across the full text of Shibata's paper: Shibata H., Nagai H., Haga H., Yasumura S., Suzuki T.,...

Posted by Heretk

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low carb diet

It may be that its the increased protein that causes the problem,maybe not enough fat in place of the protein...

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low carb diet

It may be that its the increased protein that causes the problem,maybe not enough fat in place of the protein...

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We need more data

Hi Heretic, There have been dozens, perhaps hundreds of posts, in this discussion board over the years,...

Posted by EngineerGuy

Hi Heretic,

There have been dozens, perhaps hundreds of posts, in this discussion board over the years, between you and jc, where you said "We need more data".

This post suggests some data anybody can get about himself, or herself, for their private consideration. There are so many variables and theories on diet and health. It is good to improve our knowledge about our own health with some simple tests.

You come to the states sometimes. An IMT test, Intimal Medial Thickness test, tells you the average thickness of the imtima of the carotid arteries, on the left and right sides. In Salt Lake, if you pay cash, it costs $160. You do need a doctor's prescription. There is a more expensive dopler test, but that is not necessary. Ensure you verify the type test and cost, before getting the test. This is completely safe and non-invasive. It is just like a baby ultrasound of the carotid arteries. Perhaps a Google search can find a diagnostic center that will do it for you.

When you have your eyes checked, ask your eye doctor how your retinas look. Do you have capillaries like a teen ager?

You have posted good cholesterol numbers many times, but we know from the Masai, that good numbers on your diet, are not reassuring at all. Even 6 year old children of the Masai, can have fibrosis, a form of atherosclerosis. That's why I am suggesting an IMT test.

You could check the pH of your urine. But I don't know what normal is. I do know that mine is alkaline. Maybe pH paper could do the trick.

You say you do not exercise. Do you minimize salt intake? Recall that I posted that healthy young astronauts lose 1 to 2% of their entire bone bass of calcium, each month (1). Do you have acid urine, depleting your bones of calcium?

Best regards, EngineerGuy

(1) http://www.congrex.nl/08a09/Sessions/23-06%20Session%202.htm View Thread

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What is THE answer?

Hi jc, In the recent Vegetable tread, you said "I think the answer has to lie elsewhere...." [not...

Posted by EngineerGuy

Hi jc,

In the recent Vegetable tread, you said "I think the answer has to lie elsewhere...." [not especially vegetables or olive oil, perhaps grapes, etc>

As always, you pose a very interesting question. What is THE key to health?

Following a mostly whole plant based program, which is the key to health, of the following list:

Lots of veggies, antioxidants, phytochemicals, low calorie, alkaline metabolism, low glycemic index, high fiber, vitamin D adequacy, Omega 3 adequacy, frequent meals or infrequent meals, lots of sleep, aerobic exercise, resistance exercise, stress reduction, meditation, alcohol or no alcohol, fruit, beans, nuts and seeds, whole grains, love and support. Deficiencies due to individual variation, corrected. Be very lean. What did I miss?

And avoiding the bad stuff: White flour, processed foods, sugar, salt, oil, excess dairy, meat, fish, poultry, additives, preservatives, pesticides, stress, sedentary lifestyle, food allergies. Don't be overweight. What did I miss?

So, if one thing is THE key to health, then all the other things on the list do not matter? Hmmmm they all matter.

We are all individuals. For someone who has a particular need, they will not be healthy until that need is found. One man who weighted 600 pounds, was found to have an exceedingly low testosterone level. Only after that was cured, then he was successful dieting to recover health. Many people have anemia because they absorb iron poorly. These people will not be well until they have an iron supplement. Please note that iron supplements are harmful for most people, because any iron supplement will cause excess iron for most people, which is very harmful.

I had a very low vitamin D blood level, 16 (normal is 35 to 55), discovered at age 60. At that time, my bone density in the hip, was at the bottom of osteopenia, almost to osterporosis, after running 4 miles a day, 7 days a week, for 2 years, in the sunlight at noon, and taking 400 IU of vitamin D daily. At age 60 I corrected my vitamin D deficiency with 3000IU of vitamin D3 daily, so now my blood level is 35. A year later I changed from 6 meals a day, to 3 meals a day. 4 months after that, I noticed that my severe lactose intolerance of 30 years, had gone away. Also my occasional very painful dry mouth at night, had gone away. So my stomach started making lactase, after 30 years. And my saliva glands started working very well again. Was that due to fixing my vitamin D deficiency, or changing from 6 to 3 meals daily, or both? No way to know.

My point is that all the efforts for healthy lifestyle, are important. For some people, some specific effort is miraculous.

One 16 year old girl had horrible juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. For her, carefully eliminating all dairy products, had a miraculous effect. Others are not affected the same way.

Just my thoughts.

Best regards, EngineerGuyView Thread

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Raw Food Diet

Has anyone here had real good weight loss results with a full or partial raw food diet? I have been messing...

Posted by cwilgus1

Take the Poll

If I could research and answer one question in my next post what would you like to know about?

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vegetables don't correlate with benefits???

Why does the med diet correlate with benefits but this does not.Maybe its something other than fruits and...

Posted by jc3737

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Didi's misconceptions about Jimmy Moore's new diet

Regarding your post at: http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34011 My response to your...

Posted by Heretk

Regarding your post at: http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34011

My response to your post (which I cannot post over there) would be:

Jimmy Moore is fat and healthy, are you?

Re: "He gained weight after his huge weight loss on his original low carb weight loss diet because--he says--he ate too much lean protein and protein turns to sugar in the body."

Yes what Moore says is true! Protein also elicits insulin response about up to 1/2 of that of carbs. Yes, one can get fat on protein! Yes, indeed meat has much lower satiety factor than fat, and is much easier to overeat it! Yes Jimmy Moore has got some appetite control problem. He is not the only one. He is doing something about it following his own scientific approach and own experimentation, rather than following some "gurus".

Re: His new diet on which he is again losing weight uses something he calls nutritional ketosis. (He references a book he read which put him on the right track but I could not make it out from the video.) Now his diet, instead of a lean piece of skinless chicken and some vegies, is 85% fat, 12% protein and 3% carbs.

I have been on this kind of diet for the last 13 years, since July 1999. It is called Optimal Diet, promoted by dr. Jan Kwasniewski in Poland since 1970-ties. No problems whatsoever and many major health benefits.

Re: He has had a ct scan and has zero calcium in his arteries, and his A1c and CRP are amazingly low.

Didi/Dolores, - does it not tell you sometihing really important and valuable about Paleolitic Low Carb diet?!

Jimmy Moore started as diabetic or prediabetic years ago, like you. After years of high protei medium fat Paleo diet he is still overweight but has no calcified arteries and (probably) zero risk of heart attack. Do you?

Instead of putting disparaging comments (I received such an impression when reading your post) you could have simply talked to him, exchanged some experiences, and listened to what he has to say without prejudice or some preconceived ideas as to what may or may not work.

I recommend to seriously consider a possibility that Jimmy Moore's approach, albeit not perfect the first time around, may have some validity for him and for other diabetics! At least he is trying, makes his own tests and takes corrective action based on the outcomes. This is a true scientific approach, in a stark contrast to Dr. McDougall whose idea of "science" is to blast his own theories through his media outlets and ban everybody who disagrees.

Stan (Heretic)

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diabetes

take a look at this???? http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-9-111.pdf

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