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Is sodium unhealthy?

Curr Opin Cardiol. 2007 Jul;22(4):306-10. Sodium, blood pressure, and cardiovascular disease. Cohen HW , ...

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Dolores - you were 95% not 75% compliant!

Hi Dolores, I hope you are well. I noticed that the mcdougall.com vegans, especially one well known culprit,...

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is animal protein OK for bones?

Nutr. 2003 Mar;133(3):862S-865S.Dietary animal and plant protein and human bone health: a whole foods...

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vegan president death of heart attack

H. Jay Dinshah was the founder and president of American Vegan Society. In his obituary , vegsource failed to...

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vegan president death of heart attack

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Lipidologists are saying "oops we goofed, sorry"

"Is the use of cholesterol in mortality risk algorithms in clinical guidelines valid? Ten years prospective data...

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paleo diet

What are the differences in these diets?....Plaeo,Atkins,Optimal

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milk proteins

A role for milk proteins and their peptides in cancer prevention. Parodi PW . SourceDairy Australia, Human...

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A role for milk proteins and their peptides in cancer prevention. Parodi PW . SourceDairy Australia, Human Nutrition and Health Research, Melbourne, Australia. peterparodi@uq.net.au
AbstractA role for the amount and type of dietary protein in the etiology of cancer has not been studied extensively. Nevertheless, there is no compelling evidence from epidemiological studies to indicate that protein, at levels usually consumed, is a risk factor for cancer. On the other hand, animal studies suggest that certain peptides and amino acids derived from dietary proteins may influence carcinogenesis. The predominant protein in milk, casein, its peptides, but not liberated amino acids, have antimutagenic properties. Animal models, usually for colon and mammary tumorigenesis, nearly always show that whey protein is superior to other dietary proteins for suppression of tumour development. This benefit is attributed to its high content of cystine/cysteine and gamma-glutamylcyst(e)ine dipeptides, which are efficient substrates for the synthesis of glutathione. Glutathione is an ubiquitous cellular antioxidant that directly or through its associated enzymes destroys reactive oxygen species, detoxifies carcinogens, maintains proteins in a reduced state and ensures a competent immune system. Various experiments showed that tumour prevention by dietary whey protein was accompanied by increased glutathione levels in serum and tissues as well as enhanced splenic lymphocyte proliferation, phagocytosis and natural killer, T helper and cytotoxic T cell activity. Whey protein components, beta-lactoglobulin, alpha-lactalbumin and serum albumin were studied infrequently, but results suggest they have anticancer potential. The minor component lactoferrin has received the most attention; it inhibits intestinal tumours and perhaps tumours at other sites. Lactoferrin acts by induction of apoptosis, inhibition of angiogenesis, modulation of carcinogen metabolising enzymes and perhaps acting as an iron scavenger. Supplementing cows with selenium increases the content of selenoproteins in milk, which on isolation inhibited colon tumorigenesis in rats.
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restricted protein

This does not speak well for restricted protein diets that Dr McDougall promotes. " The role of dietary...

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This does not speak well for restricted protein diets that Dr McDougall promotes.

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The role of dietary protein in low dose chronic alfatoxin B1 (AFB1) liver injury in Rhesus monkeys has been studied using 0.16 and 0.5 ppm of AFB1 in diet. The high and low protein diet contained 20% and 5% casein, respectively. Following 32 weeks of intoxication with 0.16 ppm of AFB1, histological examination revealed mild alterations in low protein group only. However, distinct histochemical and ultra-structural alterations indicative of toxic liver injury are present in both the groups fed AFB1, though more prominent in animals fed a low protein diet. Monkeys on low protein diet surviving for 90 weeks or more show foci of preneoplastic lesions, whereas those on high protein diet reveal no such alterations at the corresponding time interval. With 0.5 ppm of AFB1 in diet, the pattern of toxic liver injury is similar to that of 0.16 ppm of AFB1 in diet. However, the liver damage is more prominent with this dose. The hepatic injury again is more accentuated in the low protein group as compared with the high protein group. No preneoplastic lesions are observed, possibly due to a poor survival (less than 70 weeks) in the low protein animals with this dose. The animals in the high protein group surviving even beyond 90 weeks do not show any preneoplastic/neoplastic lesions. It appears that in the simian model used by us, the liver injury caused by AFB1 is accentuated by simultaneous restriction of dietary protein and in animals on such combined regimen preneoplastic lesions appear around 90 weeks of experiment. These observations suggest a synergism between protein calorie malnutrition and aflatoxin induced hepatocarcinogenesis and may explain the higher incidence of hepatocellular carcinoma in certain areas of the world where contamination of foods with aflatoxin and malnutrition are prevalent.

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please explain

Animals fed low casein diets during the dosing period displayed a characteristic spectrum of lesions including...

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2 hr postprandial

quote below from pubmed ....who keeps there 2 hr postprandial below 90?Ill bet 90% of adults don't keep their...

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Fructose, insulin resistance and diabetes

Dolores, You may find that interesting (see FIG.1). This is a very thought provoking though speculative...

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track your plaque

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flax seed

An open-label study on the effect of flax seed powder (Linum usitatissimum) supplementation in the management of...

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An open-label study on the effect of flax seed powder (Linum usitatissimum) supplementation in the management of diabetes mellitus.Mani UV , Mani I , Biswas M , Kumar SN .SourceDepartment of Foods and Nutrition, Faculty of Family and Community Sciences, WHO Collaborating Centre for Research & Training in Promoting Nutrition in Health & Development, MS University of Baroda, Fatehgunj, Vadodara, Gujarat, India.
AbstractDiabetes mellitus is characterized by hyperglycemia and associated with aberrations in the metabolism of carbohydrate, protein, and lipid that result in development of secondary complications. Extensive studies have indicated that nutritional therapy plays a pivotal role in the controlling or postponing of development of these secondary complications. Several functional foods have been shown to possess hypoglycemic and hypolipidemic properties. Flax seed (FS) is a functional food that is rich in omega 3 fatty acids and antioxidants and is low in carbohydrates. In exploratory studies, FS was incorporated in recipes, which resulted in a reduction in the glycemic index of the food items. These observations prompted us to investigate the efficacy of FS supplementation in type 2 diabetics (n = 29). Subjects were assigned to the experimental (n = 18) or the control group (n = 11) on the basis of their desire to participate in the study. The experimental group's diet was supplemented daily with 10 g of FS powder for a period of 1 month. The control group received no supplementation or placebo. During the study, diet and drug intake of the subjects remained unaltered. The efficacy of supplementation with FS was evaluated through a battery of clinico-biochemical parameters. Supplementation with FS reduced fasting blood glucose by 19.7% and glycated hemoglobin by 15.6%. A favorable reduction in total cholesterol (14.3%), triglycerides (17.5%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (21.8%), and apolipoprotein B and an increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (11.9%) were also noticed. These observations suggest the therapeutic potential of FS in the management of diabetes mellitus.
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Eggs, mortality and Dr. Greger

He is quoting Harvard Physician's Study in his youtube video, saying that "7 or more eggs per week is helpful -...

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Dr Michale Greger

Very interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wKKVV8VQ9o&feature=related

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Esselstyn

Dr. E said that studies showed that diet and meds lowered cholesterol more than diet alone or a moderate...

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High stroke risk in vegans

http://stan-heretic.blogspot.ca/2012/04/low-igf-i-activity-and-high-stroke-risk.html

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Plants suck!

Humankind has probably been eating some minor amount of fruit and nuts seasonally, supplementing game meat and...

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Humankind has probably been eating some minor amount of fruit and nuts seasonally, supplementing game meat and fish, throughout most part of our ancestry, that is a couple of millions of years, probably. It is highly unlikely that such food would suddenly turn out to be generally harmful. That cannot be said about some more recent plant derived food produce consumed in unprecedently large quantities - most notably the grains.

Ancient Egyptian mummies have been found riddled with "modern" degenerative diseases, including heart disease, rheumatoid arthritis, diabets and other. From eating fish and meat? I don't think so! The grains are the most likely culprit!

Mass consumption of grains (and starchy vegetables!) has only been possible since the advent of modern style agriculture, settled communities using fire and cooking, that is around 7500BC in the Middle East and somewhat later elsewhere.

DMW mentioned the plants' anti-oxidant.

I think that is a very complex subject. If you read the refs I posted in the other thread, they may indicate that consumption of plants is a double-edged sword. It adds antioxidants and vitamins but it also accelerates DNA damage.

On the positive side:

- yes it is better to eat plants than nothing, if nothing else is available. Regardless of what has been said a death by starvation is worse than eating some dodgy wild fruit or vegetables, for a short while, until a next successful hunt or fish catch.

- yes, plants do contain soma anti-oxidant and vitamins, but also ...

on the negative side:

- those same plants may contains some phytotoxins and large amount of compounds (notably fructose) that generate troublesome metabolic byproducts using up those anti-oxidants and vitamins (i.e. carbs metabolism requires vitamin C) and tying up a large portion of body's immune system for cleanup.

- most plants' macronutrients are not very compatible with human digestion and requirements. Most commonly available plants are very high (too high) in carbohydrates. Those that are not high in carbs are often (with some rare exceptions) high in the type of fats (polynsaturated) that are not as well tolerated as animal fats, in large meal staple quantities. Those plants that are not very high in carbs and fats, are high in a kind of proteins (aminoacids) that are also not well matched to human requirements.

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From Jeff N.

Unfortunately, no one knows for sure. There is an abundance of evidence showing that reducing the amount of...

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Dolores/Didi

I was just watching some videos on morbidly obese people. One guy weighs over 700 pounds and eats about 14000...

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TC Campbell

T.C.Campbell's reply to Denise Minger.This explains why some of The China studies stats may appear to say have...

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My 1999 "suici de" by double bacon and eggs

I did it once! I will share my experience. It was a nice summer week of mid July 1999. I just quit my well paid...

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I did it once! I will share my experience. It was a nice summer week of mid July 1999. I just quit my well paid job for a large corporation filled with unfriendly people, a month before, and became a self-employed consultant. The previous week a friend of mine insisted on lending me a Dr. Kwasniewski's book "Optimal Diet", forcing me to read it by reminding me with every day emails and almost daily phonecalls. I hated it. I read it and decided to prove my friend wrong by attempting to eat this way for a short time like a couple of weeks, and telling him how my health deteriorated, then stopping it.

I begun one morning by frying myself a scrambled eggs on double slices of bacon. The first scrambled eggs and the first bacon perhaps since 1988 or so. Bacon tasted too salty, eggs tasted tasteless, I didn't enjoy it. I was used to eating a slice or 2 of sourdough brown bread with a nanometer thick monomolecular layer of flora margarine and a jam.

I fully expected my mild transitional chest pain of "unknown" origin that I experienced since around 1996 (until 2001) to get worse, I expected my sporadic once-a-month episodes of tachycardia (had all my life, more frequent after 1996, gone by 2001) but to become less sporadic. I expected my daily afternoon symptoms of hypoglycemia tiredness, shakiness mental fuziness and stress-outedness (since mid 1990-ties until 1999) to get worse and I did not expect at all my painful dry eyes symptoms (had it from around 1991 until 2000) requiring daily eye drops, to change.

Well, I didn't die! Perhaps if I added some buttered lobster...

Best regards ,
Heretic

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I realize the tone of my story may seem a bit odd. I have to add this to explain why: ever since my out of body/near-death experience in 1979 I do not react on threats like others, and I do not treat most intellectual beliefs and theories very seriously. I also do not have a fear of death!View Thread

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Telomerase increase with Ornish Diet

Hi folks, Here's an amazing reference www.pubmed.com/18799354 Dr. Ornish collaborated with Nobel...

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diabetes

Diabetes type 2 poses a multiple health risk, not only coronary heart disease but also kidney failure. Although...

Posted by Heretk

Diabetes type 2 poses a multiple health risk, not only coronary heart disease but also kidney failure. Although keeping normal blood glucose (through drugs, external insulin injections or increased pancreatic insulin production) reduces kidney risk, it increases cardiovascular risk. There is a recently published paper comparing people who maintained tight glucose control (hbA1c) through drugs (and insulin) versus those who didn't. The results were that the tight glucose group had more heart disease! There are papers indicating that high serum insulin level ("hyperinsulinemia") is an independent heart disease risk factor! It was know since a long time ago. For example, R.W. Stout studies (Lancet 1969) demonstrated that arterial plaque is stimulated by insulin and the plaque tissue grows incorporating carbon from glucose (not from fat!). However, a conundrum every diabetic doctor is facing today, is that to maintain a normal glucose level in diabetes type 2 or in metabolic syndrome, on a high carbohydrate diet, a very high insulin level secretion (or injection) is required (or some equivalent drugs)! So, they tend to mitigate an immediate risk of their patients dying from high glucose complications (kidney failure, ketoacidosis) , in the short time frame, by accepting on behalf of their patients an elevated risk of heart disease manifesting itself at some time in the future.

One has to keep in mind that a high insulin level may also be maintained by the pancreas itself, in some cases if it is strong enough and if it is stimulated by food or other factors to secrete insulin..

Conversely, a poor glucose control (without excess insulin) would render a patient much more vulnerable to kidney failure, peripheral neuropaties and eye problems , but less so to heart attacks! In the days before insulin, the main diabetic risk was from kidney failure, not from heart disease.

The key to reduce the overall risk in diabetes (type 2 and 1 (see Dr. Richard Bernstein's "Normal Sugar" book)) is to do both:

1) minimize the overall requirement for insulin

AND

2) normalize blood glucose level at all time (80-140mg/dl)

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n-6 not harmful?

http://www.ajcn.org/content/95/5/1003.abstract?etoc Another myth? What do you think Heretic,EG?

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Be firm

"I am going to try to get the suggested blood tests above" Do more than just suggest....tell them this is the...

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A funny thing happened

A funny thing happened on the way to the rest of my life. On the morning of Friday the thirteenth at...

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A funny thing happened on the way to the rest of my life. On the morning of Friday the thirteenth at about 5 am, I had a heart attack. I was already in the ER because I had back pain all week which got worse when I ate so at 10:30 the night before I had my daughter drive me to the ER. At first the doc thought it was gastrointestinal and the heart enzymes were normal. After four hours the heart enzymes were not normal and they recommended an immediate stent. Of course I refused. People make mistakes in labs and I insisted they take more blood and redo the tests. Besides, except for a few indulgences I eat right. Right? Before any tests came back I passed out, went into v fib and that is the last I remember until I woke up after chest compression and the use of the defibrillator. This time when they wanted to use a stent I said yes. Believe me I do not know if I did the right thing to agree. They did not offer me a stalk of broccoli instead.

On Easter, I indulged in ham and I eat fish and clams a couple of times a week. I do not think that the 100% blockage they stented happened over night. Another artery was also 100% blocked but that one had built collaterals. Yet another artery was 50% blocked and another between 60 and 70 % blocked.

Diabetics frequently die of heart disease. But I was lulled into complacency because my blood sugars were pretty good after 20 years and on no meds--just diet and exercise. I had an HbA1c of 5.4. Of course now I am determined to get it lower. Cholesterol was 166, LDL 103 and triglycerides 88. Eating as much fruit and starches as I do I was surprised at the trigs. A couple of my doctors assumed I was only borderline diabetic. No.

OK guys. Now what? Strictly eliminate all animal food? I was already not eating dairy, fats or oils (do we count the occasions at my daughter's when I help myself to the snack foods she always has around?)
Esselstyn says moderation kills. It almost did with me. Or do I take a closer look at H's diet and give up rice, potatoes, a diet of mostly vegetables, fruits, beans and use a stick of butter on the few vegetables I would eat and eat the end of the roast beef with mostly fat? The doctors did not talk at all about diet and gave me a booklet with what looks to me like a version of the standard american diet. Neither H nor EG would follow such a diet. This is America. We take pills.

As you can see this is not merely an academic problem for me and I cannot afford to speculate. Because here I am--someone whose drug use amounted to maybe 10 tylenol in the last couple of years, stuck with taking plavix, aspirin, pravachol, lisinopril and metropolol. I am afraid to be non compliant which is my inclination. So I am now subject to all the stupid side effects of these drugs. So much for courteous debate. What do I do?

Dolores
P.S. The only pain I suffer now is from the chest compression. Evidently it is not done in real life the way you see it in the movies. They have to make sure the chest compresses 2 and a half inches down. I am going to get a medic alert bracelet that reads--start with the paddles.View Thread

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vitamin D

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