I don't drink soft drinks at all and am not surprised that sugar is not a health food, but wonder what those Japanese women were eating along with the soft drinks. Are soft drinks a part of the traditional Japanese diet? I seem to remember unsugared tea is the traditional drink. Could this denote correlation rather than causation?
Well, this is the first time I heard that 200 to 300 is average among HEALTHY people. Of what age? Are there more heart attacks and strokes among people with cholesterol under 150? Dr. Castelli of the Framingham study said in an interview I heard that of the thousands of patients he studied, only about half a dozen had heart attacks who had cholesterol under 150. Of course, my thought when I heard that is--how many of those in the study actually had numbers under 150? I imagine it is rare in our culture.
Although the number of Esselstyn's patients is small, his vegan no fat diet seems to have done the trick in improving their health. But as you know I have a vested interest in finding the right diet and wonder if you can point me to a peer reviewed study using a very high fat low plant food diet which used angiograms that showed halting and reversal of coronary artery disease? I know of course that in most cases (as in mine) the thrombus which causes a blockage and heart attack is not from older plaques so one wonders if it is the shrinking of older plaques that makes these patients incident free for 12 to 20 years. Or something else?
So, you don't think that a feed lot cow has more fat than a deer? Or that people who rely on hunting as their only source of animal food consume less fat than the average meat eating American? DView Thread
H, he is reporting on hemorrhagic strokes which are only 13 per cent of strokes. What about ischemic strokes? Since a great majority of strokes are ischemic and a great majority of people are NOT vegetarian then could you say that there is a higher stroke risk for non vegetarians? Why does he say that normal cholesterol levels are between 200 and 300?
H or anyone. Can you point me to a study that shows stabilization of plaques and reversal also using a very low carb, high fat diet? Not risk factor improvements, but angiograms. Does Davis use angiograms in his track your plaque program? If he has reduced the calcium caps on plaques that really is truly amazing because I believe even Esselstyn doubted that could be done. Is this what is happening in Davis's program?
It is my understanding that even a small regression increases the flow of blood through the arteries by some geometric amount, that is a small increase in diameter means an even larger increase in blood flow. Even if it doesn't regress it is a positive occurrence if it doesn't progress. Arteries don't get to be 80% blocked overnight so why would you expect only one year's time to give you the arteries you were born with.,
I also always like to know exactly what the experimental diet is. Maybe it wasn't what many of us would consider a healthy low fat diet. I remember one low fat diet study in which the low fat eaters were consuming 29% fat and by the end of the study they were eating just about as much fat as the control group, Yet the results were reported as being from eating low fat.
That's what I thought but everyone who read the article says that is what he said. Evidently he used water fasting which is used by some clinic in California (where else?) Fasting is a tradition in many religions and perhaps fasting while having nothing but water might be ok for a very short while and how long would you have to go without food for a 5'10" man to get down to 88 pounds, But you would think someone as smart as fuhrman would have stopped long before he reached 88 pounds.
EG is on his group and should ask him if this is true.