H, Of my own personal acquaintances I know no one who is on low carb and sticks to it. It is possible that the same is true of those on a no meat and fat plant diet. The two people I know who are using it often eat cake, pizza, subs etc. I really don't think any way of eating will work if you don't stick to it. They have high hopes of avoiding heart disease and on already has diabetes, is on meds and has fasting levels of around 140. I think if you are going to try something you should give it a chance and go all the way with whatever plan you have chosen.
H, would you advise diabetics to use your diet? To tell you the truth, anyone should be careful of what he advises another person to eat, not knowing that person's particular circumstances.
If the medical establishment is writing about how good low carb diets are, it doesn't seem to match what I read on the diabetes group. People stick to low carb and lower and lower carb but many on these diets are adding med after med and insulin and their numbers still seem to be climbing. There are some who do keep their A1c low on low carb for a few years, some do it with low carb and lots of meds and others who simply do not. Despite what the medical establishment writes all over pubmed. One person wrote how well he has been doing on low carb for several years--low carb, two meds and insulin.
Don't use me as an example. I have been diabetic for more than twenty years. I have been very overweight and only lost more than 130 pounds over 20 years. I have experimented with different foods like yogurt, fish and olive oil. But keep an eye on me now because since last April 13 I have been whole food, zero fat, plant eating. Can this undo years of overweight, poor food choices, diabetes? We can't know that from Esseslstyn or anyone else since no one has done a study for that long.
If I suddenly disappear from the group I am either dead, in some other dire straits or going through another period where I have to re sign up and forget my password and/or whatever e mail address I have to use to get back on. Which happens periodically.
Vestigial. H, where do you come up with these things? You also know the stomach acid of carnivores is strong enough to break down raw meat Perhaps they were designed to eat meat. Oh excuse me, I mean perhaps they accidentally after years of evolution developed digestive systems that can make short shrift of meat (unlike ours). When I was in eighth grade I learned digestion begins in the mouth.
I agree with H. Especially if you have diabetes. Even the plant positive guy says something about the arteries of diabetics being more permeable (to ldl?) In his first study, Esselstyn did not include diabetics in his study.
Dr. Bernstein is in his nineties, a t1 diabetic who controls his diabetes using frequent insulin shots and a very low carb diet to keep his blood sugar at around 83 at all times. So apparently one size does not fit all. On the other hand, I am not impressed by some on the diabetes support group who are t2 and use low carb and increasing amounts of meds and often add insulin. Is that necessary for t2's? Those are the same meds that carry warnings about cardiac side effects.
H, didn't your own guru recommend either the diet you are on or a fat free Japanese type diet?
Dr. McD points out that since we have genes coded for amylase we are able to eat starches. Primates have only two of these genes. Humans have anywhere between 2 and about 16 with an average of six. I am wondering , for those of us who only have two of these genes, as do fruit, insect and leaf eating primates, if the low carb diet might be better than the higher starch diet.
EG, I just noticed part of your reply in which you said Atkins probably died of a stroke not a fall because there were no bruises on his hands where he tried to break his fall. I have to tell you that when I caught my foot in the door of the damn cheap refrigerator door which I bought to save money (damn) it happened so fast and I fell sideways so I did not reach out to break my fall. So from my own experience I know that you can fall in such a way that you just can't reach out to break the fall. And while I am at it let me caution everyone about buying cheap refrigerators. Get the good kind with the freezer on the bottom--otherwise you might end up with a broken hip.
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