something I never saw discussed--My husband was traveling in Greece and said the food was fantastic. He said he never new how good peaches could taste until he ate some in Greece. One might consider that fruit and vegies in season,grown in an ideal climate, just picked at the height of ripeness might have lots more nutrition (not to mention taste) than what we are used to-- food picked unripe, artificially ripened and transported hundreds of miles from where it was grown. And we worry about a bit of olive oil.
So far as I know that study was a waste of money. It was supposed to be 22 per cent fat which is not really the low fat that McDougall and Esselstyn would recommend and in the end the amount of fat they were eating was the same in the subjects and the control group.
You could be right H. I was just quoting Atkins. I am still amazed that you persisted so long in your woe while not getting fairly fast results. I could not have done it and right now if I were having trouble with my current diet I believe I would try something else no matter what the low fat gurus say.
The thing about crp is that it just identifies inflammation, not what is causing it. It could be from a viral infection or something else. And if it is tested and high, what are my choices? Wouldn't I just be very strict about a plant based diet and exercise? I understand that driving homocysteine down with folate, B12 and B6 .does not change outcomes--just gives better numbers. This is true of so many pharmaceuticals. You just die with better numbers.
The D is something else and whether it can be remedied by pills and sunshine when the weather changes remains to be seen.
jc, I had a stent placed after a heart attack and coding. They told me the cause was a clot. It was not due to blockage from plaque build up in that artery. Esselstyn, McDougall et al all say that in case of emergency a stent can be lifesaving.
I think the objection is to placing stents before an artery is closed and in a non emergency situation instead of recommending a change in diet and/or exercise and other lifestyle changes.
However, these things do block up again with plaque and there is a lot of evidence for late stent thrombosis with some doubts about a rebound effect from Plavix when it is stopped.. Some suggest taking plavix for life because of this.View Thread
Then Esselstyn must be a liar and the people in his study got sicker and sicker over the last twenty years with arteries shutting down from not enough sat fat.
Asians on traditional low sat fat diets high in carbs must be dropping like flies from heart disease.
There must be a conspiracy to keep McDougall's patients and live in program attendees from publicizing the fact that their health has gone from bad to worse on his diet and the heart attack rate among these people must be plaguing them.
Heart disease takes years to develop and while it is entirely possible that someone eating sat fats and very low carb remains healthy with clean arteries, I have yet to see a study following a group of heart patients over several years whose blocked arteries have shown reversal and who have remained incident free on such a high sat fat low carb diet.
Dolores P.S. While Esselstyn reports no heart events over several years in patients who had surgeries and stents and who follow his diet, he does report somewhere that there was reversal in some arteries, no progression in others--but he did find progression in some arteries in some people.View Thread