Dr. Atkins had heart disease (oh, a virus). He was obese and probably died of a stroke. His family fought in court to keep his autopsy and poor health secret, and then sold the Atkins name as a health diet, probably for hundreds of millions of dollars. Sounds ethical to me.
The China Study absolutely never said that casein is a carcinogen, in any way.
I recall when we debated years ago. You showed that total cancer deaths did not correlate with diet. I pointed out that total cancer deaths includes lung cancer, which is more than 1/3 of all deaths, in Asia, where smoking rates are much higher than here. So, total cancer would not be expected to correlate with diet, due to the noise of purposely including a large and known non-diet related cancer. But your resolve was unshaken, and you insisted that the total cancer correlation showed that the China Study was flawed.
Re: "Maybe not all that significant but still there is the diference in regression and progression.Do you think stabalization is enough to prevent cardio incidents?"
Yes, in a separate publication the Ornish group, without statins, had half the heart attacks compared to the standard medical care group.
The Esselstyn study had 18 patients, who were worse on the average at the start of the study, who had no heart attacks or cardiac events, for 22 years. Why was Esselstyn more successful? Esselstyn was more strict on the diet, emphatically zero animal protein (zero meat, fish, poultry or dairy - sorry Heretic), and measured blood cholesterol once every 2 weeks for the first 5 years of the study. They could not cheat !! Also, Esselstyn used statins.
Yes, you are right, that a 6% increase in the lumen diameter, reflects a much higher percentage increase in blood flow. As shown in the short abstract, looking only at blockages greater than 50%, the reversal was larger. As the short abstract said, 80% of the patients (from memory) had improved, larger lumen openings. This was done with randomized readings of the angiograms, where the person reading the angiogram, did not know which angiogram was the "before" and which was the "after".
The study was actually quite impressive, as it was the first demonstration of reversal of atherosclerosis in humans. The results also show the benefit of being completely strict, as Esselstyn's results are the best ever published in a medical journal.
Heretic, if you disagree, theories are fine, but results are preferred.
Pomagranates are in peak season now. Prices are at their lowest. I boutght about 12 large pomagranates and am saving the arils (seeds) in freezer bags. I take a skinny tablespoon a day, and it lasts many months.
Wash the skin with soap & water. It's easiest to cut off the top and bottom, score the skin into 8ths. Under water in a large bowl, pry the 8ths apart, and then bend the sections and remove the arils. Surprisingly, very little juice is lost, and you don't have the kitchen sprayed with pomagranate juice.
Your post about GREENS and detoxification - you are singing my tune!! I recently learned about epigenetics, and the beneficial role vegetables play, especially cruciferous veggies.
Another line of benefit: Intraepithelial lymphocytes are the first line of defense for the body. Research shows that cruciferous veggies strengthen these.
Veggies strengthen the body's defenses against viral and bacterial attack. They also strengthen the body's defence against cancer. A lower calorie diet, higher in nutrients (read lots of veggies and fruit, beans, nuts and seeds) strenghens the immune system, calms inflammation, while quieting the body's mistaken attack against itself (autoimmune disease) and calms allergies.
The largest single cause of hypothyroidism is Hashimoto's disease, which is the body's attack on the thyroid gland, which affects 15 to 20% of elderly women. Cruciferous veggies help prevent Hashimoto's, at least as suggested by recent research.
A great deal of modern science is revealing the benefits of veggies and fruit, antioxidants and phytochemicals, today.
I am wishing you the best of health, EngineerGuyView Thread
Re:"Corect me if i'm wrong but doesn't a vegan diet keeps urine pH lower than a diet of animal products."
Lower pH (as I work it out in my head) is alkaline, which is good, as in an alkaline diet. Yes, animal products make the urine acidic, and deplete calcium out of the bones, to help neutralize the body.
By the way, another major issue with salt is that a high sodium diet takes calcium out of the body. This is a fairly recent discovery, around year 2000.
I'll bet you have an excellent alkaline diet.
Oh, and if you are having good results with potatoes, I agree with you. The only way to improve would be to have a variety of grains. The skins, by the way, contain a toxin called solanine. In Ireland, where they ate mostly potatoes, they could get potato poisoning. Google solanine. It is not clear whether we should worry about solanine toxicity.
In Dr. Ornish's experiment with heart patients, they improved on the Ornish diet, and got worse in the control group, on standard medical care, on whatever diet their doctors ordered. The angiogram measurement simply were an unbiased measurement reflecting that the Ornish group was improving. Before Ornish ran this study, he could not get NIH funding, and had to raise the money himself from private industry (including Enron). Doctors said it was not possible to reverse atherosclerosis. After Dr. Ornish demonstrated that it could be reversed, the same people complained that it didn't reverse fast enough!
Also, Dr. Ornish did not use statins, and the control group probably did. This worked against Dr. Ornish's group, since Statins do contribute to reversal of atherosclerosis. However, this work was published in 1990, before the benefits of statins were clearly demonstrated. Today, Ornish and the doctors in this movement, prescribe statins for patients while they are at risk for heart attacks or strokes.
Re: "SD stands for Standard Deviation I presume! That means that all changes are statistically insignificant and about a half of his treated patients experiences a worsening while another half - an improvement.
For example, the average change in the experimental group was -2.2 and 3.4 in the control group. Both changes are about five times smaller than the standard deviation!
This is a prime example of bad science! Stan (Heretic)"
I'm sorry. You have forgotten all of your statistics. For example "Both changes are about five tims smaller than the standard deviation! This is a prime example of bad science"
In a case like this, the results can be very statistically significant, or not, depending on the sample size.
You are a brilliant man. Instead of working to support your beliefs, work to support the truth.
We all have different levels of various digestive enzymes in the stomach. We get gas when stuff enters the small intestine, without being fully digested in the stomach, for the stomach's part of the digestive process. Kids and youngsters typically have lots of digestive enzymes. As a kid, I never understood the jokes about beans being gassy. Now I get it. ^o^
Anyway, I guess I'm low on some enzyme that prevents the odors. No problem. I've issues my wife a military gas mask. It It is fully effective.
Yes, Joel Fuhrman was an olympic hopeful ice scater a while back. He got a heel injury (bashed it on the ice rink wall). Ge got the best physician, since he was an olympic hopeful. His heel became inflamed. It was actually an autoimmune disease. A YEAR later, he was still on crutches, and could not walk, and certainly could not skate. His doctor was going to try an experimental surgery on him, to peel back the skin, and score the membranes under the heel.
Fuhrman instead went to a fasting facility in San Antonio. They put him on a water fast of over 40 days. It did cure his heel. He was able to recover his strength. A year (or 2? from memory) later, he placed third in the 1976 World Professional Pairs Skating.
In an invited review in Current Sports Medicine Reports in July 2010 entitled 'Fueling the Vegetarian (Vegan) Athlete,' Dr. Fuhrman discussed strategies for reaching caloric needs and performance benefits of a high-nutrient, plant-based diet for athletes.
Dr. Fuhrman's first bood was on water fasting. Yes, after day 3, fasting is a ketogenic metabolism. Clearly, appreciating the benefits of water fasting, with a ketogenic metabolism, I thought Dr. Fuhrman would be sympathetic to a high protein low carb ketogenic diet. ABSOLUTELY NOT !! Dr. Fuhrman is very empahtic about the harm of a high protein high fat diet, promoting cancer, rapid aging, heart disease, etc.
Hi jc, I recently heard a note from Dr. Fuhrman about high blood pressure. He said interval training is very helpful, for reducing bp, as an addition to the work that you have done.