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Reply: conscious control of heart rate

Hi Mitoca57 You are misquoting me a little bit . First of all, we all have only...

Posted by Sebasti1an

Hi Mitoca57

You are misquoting me a little bit

. First of all, we all have only assumptions to make, since we do not have the means of doing any research, so thats a given.
I did not write that "it is possible for anyone to just learn how to directly control their ANS", but "I think that maybe many people have the potential to do it, but am definitely not aware of many people being able to do it now" (and I "think that maybe", not assume).
I simply will it to happen too. But it seems it is an ability which becomes stronger over time for most people in this forum. I don't mind how widespread the phenomenon is, I am just interested in what can be learned from it and about it.
My argument that it seems to be the sympathetic nervous system, is that that ties the adrenal gland directly to the CNS, which I think is necessary for us to be in control. Whether it is the CNS that communicates to the sympathetic nervous system that communicates to the adrenal gland, or the CNS that communicates directly to the adrenal gland really isn't that important to me. But I would like to hear your thoughts on what the implications might be as to the two different scenarios.
This from Wikipedia could agree with either scenario:
The adrenal medulla consists of irregularly shaped cells grouped around blood vessels. These cells are intimately connected with the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system (ANS). In fact, these adrenal medullary cells are modified postganglionic neurons, and preganglionic autonomic nerve fibers lead to them directly from the central nervous system.Adrenal medulla increases available energy; heart rate; and metabolism.

The interesting thing to me is, that there is a connection between the CNS and this thing, if it is either the adrenal gland directly or the sympathetic nervous system. This means that it can probably be explained in science.

I too think that chi, auras and energy manipulation is not necessary for understanding this, and would most likely be a too simple offer on understanding what's going on. Pseudoscience though is probably better than us sprinkling our own personal feelings and thoughts on the matter. This is all we have for now. I think that in trying to understand this better, we should keep an open forum, and an open mind, or at least not decide for others what they can contribute with.
By the way, I wanted to go with your wish for a survey, and fill it out, but I only get a "zoom" tool instead of the regular mouse cursor, so I could not fill it out.

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Reply: conscious control of heart rate

I think that maybe many people have the potential to do it, but am definitely not aware...

Posted by Sebasti1an

I think that maybe many people have the potential to do it, but am definitely not aware of many people being able to do it now, which will explain why there is no common explanation. But let's not forget Spies88's initial thread-starter. He told us that a paramedic co-volunteer told him it sounded like the work of the sympathetic nervous system. That explanation is dead-on as far as I am concerned. The effect of the sympathetic nervous system in action is the stimulating "Fight or Flight"-response, including: Increased heart rate, dilated pupils, sweating, dry mouth and increased blood pressure, all of which I have tested and witnessed to be accurate on my behalf. I think that norepinephrine or noradrenaline is the hormone that is released by the sympathetic nervous system, causing the wonderful sensation. The blood vessels to our muscles is explained to expand as well, which would also explain the sudden gain in physical performance. I have gotten this information from both wikipedia, and a bio-neuro book used in Denmark by the Universities of Copenhagen for the education of Psychology.
It was noticed in the book, as well as here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/s/sympathetic_nervous_system.htm
...that even though the sympathetic neurons are frequently considered part of the peripheral nervous system (PNS, considered to be outside control of the brain), many of them actually lie within the Central Nervous System (CNS, leeding to the brain). So, there is some sort of communication both ways, even though it's probably mostly from down and up.

The parasympathetic nervous system is complementary to the sympathetic nervous system, and takes care of digestion (and all relative to that), salivation, and is connected to the stomache region. This system is suppressed while the sympathetic nervous system is hammering on, which I think is worth noticing, when it comes to attempts to meditate.

I think meditation is practically trying to prioritize the parasympathetic nervous system, quieting down the sympathetic system. This is especially useful when dealing with stress, which is most likely a constantly elevated activity of the fight or flight-response, causing the parasympathetic system to not function properly, meaning digestive trouble, that suction-feeling in the stomach, dry mouth, elavated heart rate etc., just on a lower, constant level, which is pretty destructive. So if you, TheLizabeth, want to meditate, I advise that you focus on relaxing completely, with the surge effect as being the opposite of what you want to achieve.

I derived from this, that the entire ANS (containing the Enteric, Sympathetic and Parasympathetic) IS within the reach of our control, or within learning range at least.
I think that we can initially indirectly affect these systems through proposing certain feelings, states of mind or images to our minds, that our bodies then respond to as being real. For instance, being calm in mind lets the Parasympathetic system work, imagining a rollercoaster ride, or recalling the feeling of getting shocked or scared kick starts the sympathetic system. I think there is some potentially interesting things to learn from looking at these systems with this in your thoughts.
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Hi there. I don't have ADD or ADHD, but that does not mean there aren't underlying...

Posted by Sebasti1an

Hi there.

I don't have ADD or ADHD, but that does not mean there aren't underlying similar genetic factors that play into this thing, which are centering around that diagnosis in your case, but haven't resulted in a that in my case.

I have been able to "surge" or "rush" since early age as well as others here, I guess it's a question of when we accidently find out. It started as being able to self induce a "roller coaster sensation" (a tickling "suction" feeling in the stomach, like when accelerating in a vehicle), and by practice becoming better and better at keeping it going, resulting in increased heart rate (measured in my case to 220bpm, once at age 16). The sensation can be orgasmic in ways, but is first and foremost a feeling of extreme acceleration, as it has been described here many times now. Eyes dilating is certainly a possible side effect, but not always.

It resulted in a considerable increase in physical endurance (around 50-70%), lifting weights and doing pushups. It also left a feeling of restlessness in a positive way, an urge to quickly use the newly acquired energy. A feeling of being on top of the situation. I have yet to experience any negative effect of it.

Due to the extreme sensation of your heart pumping at 220, and a lack of explanation so far, I went to the doctor recently and he ordered X-rays, EKG, and blood analysis in order to expose any underlying heart condition, or damage due to what might be an abusive use of this ability. I am happy to say that all looked normal. Except for the fact that I lacked a little D-vitamin, which I am sure is not a side effect of this

.

I have an Emotiv Epoc (an EEG-neuroheadset), that can monitor brain activity on 4 brain wave frequency areas (Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta) and have recorded sessions while doing nothing, and then "surging". Wow, the brain activity is crazy, in comparison! Extreme Alpha, Beta, and Theta. Delta is pretty active as well, which is a normally happening when in deep sleep consciousness, where Alpha and Beta are suppressed. I would have attached a playback video of that data, but it doesn't look like I can do that here, sorry.

I have noticed the effect of this "surge" is far greatest in areas of the body where the muscles are relaxed. This means that lying down is ideal. Its possible to do it sitting or standing, but almost impossible to feel at all, if you "tense up" you body (contract alle muscles you can). Do you agree in my observation?

I do find, however, that using it to stay awake is like pissing your pants to stay warm. Overloading your body when it desperately needs recreation does not in my opinion have a lasting effect, so I don't do that much anymore.

Exciting to join in on this international conversation, thanks for starting the thread. I am now following this, as most of you probably are.

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