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Congratulations. I don't think you had a heart attack either!
Fuhrman points out epidemiological studies showing fewer people diet of ventricular fibrillation, when then ate nuts. So, all the more important to eat 1 oz nuts & seeds daily. If you are concerned, just measure it out to be 1 oz weight, until you can estimate it well.
Of course, we have both been Pritikin devotees, and excluded nuts, in the past. By the way, Pritikin folks have changed, to allow some nuts, at least they did while Jeff Novick was there.
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DoloresView Thread
Re: EG and UFB, DT,
Is everyone neglecting pomegranates and pistachios ?
I froze some pomagranate seeds, with the juice packets. I take a tablespoon daily. When that runs out, I'll take the juice daily, about a couple ounces daily. I know you said the seeds did not contain the paraosonase, but they contain other very valuable nutrients. I don't recall the reference, but I believe it was recommended by Fuhrman.
I cannot find unsalted raw pistachios, so I am passing that up for now. But I'll include them if I find them.
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Thanks for the tip.
Pomagranate is valuable, and priced so !!Best regards, EngineerGuyView Thread
DoloresView Thread
Let us know how the CT results are. Joe.View Thread
Thank you.View Thread
You can watch session on youtube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irUQEG4BSK4View Thread
A great 13 minute video
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2012/04/dr-mcdougall-cuts-corporate-health-care-expenses-in-half-using-starch-based-diet-video.html
This is about Dr. McDougall program, as an employee health care reduction option. For Blue Care-Blue Cross employees, it reduced health care costs by 44%, in the first year. That is amazing.
Isn't it ironic, that this could not be posted on the Diabetes Type 2 website, because it appears to solicit for something?
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I am simply raising the possibility that vit D supplementation may be a problem.The overall bulk of the data supports vitamin D supplementation at this point in time.
This is a call to investigate and debate,not to take any action or to halt vitamin D supplementation.View Thread
JosvinView Thread
Let us know how it works out. Many studies provide strong support for it. My mind is open (empty is pretty close to open, isn't it?)
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A large long term study found a dose-effect relationship between red meat consumption and premature death. Processed beef (cold cuts, etc) were much worse.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/green-living-red-meat-consider-your-health-and-the-environments-as-well.html
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DoloresView Thread
A year after the heart attack I entered the Dr Dean Ornish program and it has since radically changed my life and my family's life. My high blood pressure is gone the diabetes is gone and have lost 85lbs so far.
I had to figure a way to get veggies in me since plant based eating is ¼ the program. In come smoothies at first they had a high fruit content to cover up the vegetable taste but slowly my pallet changed and I was able to change the ratio, more veg less fruit. Now I make what I call a "chunky" the fruit is blended smooth but the veggies are left chunky. The reason for this was in a movie I saw Processed People The Documentary. We are meant to eat our food not drink it, salvia the first step in digestion then the molars and our really long intestines to extract every bit of nutrition out of our food. So with my morning chunky I get too eat my spinage kale and carrots along with the ¼ cup of rolled oats and was it down with banana, strawberry and almond milk.
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Two part reply, on pomegranates, and the "E" thing.
I have a coffee mug of pomegranate juice breakfast and lunch, and another 3 ounces with dinner, occasionally other times when home. I drink Langer's at work, and Bolthouse Farms at home, depending if I go to Costco for POM, or Smart & Final for the other two.
I also drink pomegranate and white tea from Trader Joe's. We already finished the pomegranates from the tree we have this year. We have a POM Wonderful variety with edible seeds. So its like slow popcorn.
The special thing boosted by pomegranates is paraoxonase. The three known functions of paraoxonase for heart disease are 1) a huge functional boost to HDL, making the effectiveness as if HDL count was much higher (HDL carries excess LDL out of the blood stream, that is why it is HEALTHY (note the H of both Healthy and HDL); 2) A strong anti-oxidant, with values above nearly all fruits including berries; and 3) activation of cholesterol effusion from macrophage foam cells. Item three translated refers to the oxidized LDL filled immune cells choking off arteries from the inside, like a mold growing within the artery wall, release ox-LDL back to the bloodstream for removal by HDL, and the minor shrinkage that occurs with that release. So overtime, blood flow increases and the artery opening begins to increase in size.
In 5 years of regular pomegranate juice, I have reduced my metoprolol use from 50 mg twice a day, to 12-18 mg twice a day, and sometimes once a day. I am beginning to be able to sleep for up to 5 hours a night continuously.
I also have a more difficult time getting my heart rate up with exercise, and my doctor seems to think that is ok.
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The E factor is EPCs. These are the body's natural stem cells for arterial repair. Pomegranates beneficial effects might help EPCs. Pistachios, Green tea, and EVOO boost them directly. The list of risk factors that most doctors recommend heart patients improve ? All of those independently DECREASE the body's production of EPCs, and blunt the function of those that are produced.
What does that mean ? Its means your body's ability to keep arteries in proper repair is severely reduced. The alternative is damage at sites becoming plugged by immune cells, which WILL and DO absorb oxidized LDL from the blood stream, slowly enlarging into blockage sites. These grow into hidden pipe clamps. Let it go long enough, the artery is totally blocked, anything beyond it is asphixiated and tissue dies as surely as if the artery was severed and cauterized.View Thread
DoloresView Thread
Hi jc,
Dr. Fuhrman took copper out of his Gently Care multivitamin. For more information, with references, check his website - Shop - Supplements - Gentle Care - Detail.
Copper from foods that you mention, Dolores, is excellent. Fuhrman is only talking about possible harm from copper from supplements. I state this just for those reading.
Best regards, EngineerGuyView Thread
Thanks for the great post. And, congratulations on your great successes !! You are a champ !
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I got busier, working late every day. But, I'm committed as ever, to become a health coach when I retire. And, I miss posting daily.
Thanks for asking.
We rely on you to keep the interest high, with new and stimulating information and questions. Thanks !!

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Dr. Fuhrman just posted about amazing recent research on breast cancer.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-breast-cancer.html
Dr. Fuhrman has been advising 1 tablespoon flaxseed daily, for years. Some of the reference for the link above, are from 2011.
Here's a shippet:
"Human trials also confirmed similar beneficial effects. A double-blinded, randomized controlled trial of dietary flaxseed demonstrated dramatic protection. Women ate either a control muffin with no flax seeds imbedded or 25g flax-containing muffin starting at time of diagnosis of breast cancer for just 32-39 days until surgery. Tumor tissue analyzed at diagnosis and surgery demonstrated surprising benefits even in this short timeframe. There was a significant apoptosis (tumor cell death) and reduced cell proliferation in the flaxseed group in just the one month.13 Likewise women eating more flaxseeds with a documented higher serum enterolactone were found to have a 42% reduced risk of death from postmenopausal breast cancer and a dramatic (40 percent) reduction in all causes of death.14,15 Flaxseeds are clearly super foods; even with a mediocre diet they offer powerful protection against certain types of breast cancer. "
Even 30 days of eating flaxseed (in a muffin, which is junk food), increased breast cancer cell apoptosis (cancer cell suicide), and also decreased a blood marker for cancer cell proliferation. AMAZING!!
I have seen so much information only on the Fuhrman website. I read the references, which support his statements well. But the rest of the world reads about it years later, or not at all.
We already know today, enough to beat breast cancer. But nobody has financial incentive to advertise it.
Best regards, EngineerGuyView Thread
Dr. Fuhrman just posted about amazing recent research on breast cancer.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-breast-cancer.html
Dr. Fuhrman has been advising 1 tablespoon flaxseed daily, for years. Some of the reference for the link above, are from 2011.
Here's a shippet:
"Human trials also confirmed similar beneficial effects. A double-blinded, randomized controlled trial of dietary flaxseed demonstrated dramatic protection. Women ate either a control muffin with no flax seeds imbedded or 25g flax-containing muffin starting at time of diagnosis of breast cancer for just 32-39 days until surgery. Tumor tissue analyzed at diagnosis and surgery demonstrated surprising benefits even in this short timeframe. There was a significant apoptosis (tumor cell death) and reduced cell proliferation in the flaxseed group in just the one month.13 Likewise women eating more flaxseeds with a documented higher serum enterolactone were found to have a 42% reduced risk of death from postmenopausal breast cancer and a dramatic (40 percent) reduction in all causes of death.14,15 Flaxseeds are clearly super foods; even with a mediocre diet they offer powerful protection against certain types of breast cancer. "
Even 30 days of eating flaxseed (in a muffin, which is junk food), increased breast cancer cell apoptosis (cancer cell suicide), and also decreased a blood marker for cancer cell proliferation. AMAZING!!
I have seen so much information only on the Fuhrman website. I read the references, which support his statements well. But the rest of the world reads about it years later, or not at all.
We already know today, enough to beat breast cancer. But nobody has financial incentive to advertise it.
Best regards, EngineerGuyView Thread
I take Gentle Care, from www.drfuhrman.com You can read a very good explanation of how the nutrients were chosen. Just click details.
Re: So I get very nervous about not getting enough and occasionally eat canned wild caught sockeye salmon.
Excellent !

Best regards, EngineerGuyView Thread
Thanks for the interesting question.
I think nuts and seeds are very beneficial. However, Esselstyn has the best medically demonstrated results (Fuhrman has not completed a study as of yet). Esselstyn carefully avoided nuts as too high in fat.
Changes I made, since getting worse in my IMT, versus improving now:
I had a vitamin D deficiency (16 ng/ml), in spite of a great deal of sunlight. Now I take 2000 IU of D3 daily, and blood tests show I am about 55.
I lost about 7 pounds.
I changed from 6 meals a day, to 2 or 3 meals.
My nutritional density is much higher.
I am exercising less. I used to run 4 miles a day, weights 3x a week. I often worked out hard, and would tend to be famished, aand perhaps overeat, especially at night. Now I run 2 miles a dday, and try to avoid eating late at night, or at least minimize it. I can probably run faster now, although perhaps not as far.
I still try to get lots of sleep.
So, it's hard to say one thing was responsible. I think they are all helpful.
That's my opinion. All are very welcome to post their experience.
Best regards, EngineerGuyView Thread
Yes, pomegranates are coming into season again. Hurray. And always great to see you around.
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Always great to chat.
Dr. Fuhrman adds Vitamin B12 (as methylcobalamin)
30mcg 500% to his Gentle Care. That's what I take. I view this as one expert's opinion. We are very tolerant to over doses of B12, so there is little concern for harm.
Some people need much more, due to individual variation. People who become vegan, usually have enough B12 stored in them to last even 10 years or more. But then again, many people on the SAD need strong supplements. Individual variation. Ask your doctor for a blood test to find out, if you have a concern.
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