I've been working late all this week, and have missed being on the site frequently.
I think Dolores summed it up pretty well "For the record, I lean a certain way but have not received any diet advice on tablets of stone. Therefore I am still questioning."
We all lean a certain way, either a little lean or a lot. I lean a lot, for sure. I have been amazed each Fuhrman recommendation that I have added to my program, simply on the strength of his recommendation. Fuhrman's experience surpasses all the others.
Re: Does Fuhrman allow debate on his site?....can you point out research that does not agree with his ideas and ask him to counter? Lets keep in mind what is really important.Its not whether EG or Heretic,or Dolores is right but that a civil debate/discussion takes place and that each counters the other if he or she really believes the other poster is wrong..
I disagree. At some point, the purpose of this whole exercise is to pick a program, adopt it and benefit from it. Endless debate does not make us healthy.
Yes, folks on the Fuhrman website debate with Dr. Fuhrman at times. And sometimes people counter Dr. Fuhrman's opinion with more data. This has happened on the value of potatoes, for example, which by some data are just as nutritious as oatmeal. Dr. Fuhrman prefers oatmeal as one of the whole grains that many people might eat, but discourages potatoes.
But nobody is on the website saying that a totally different program is better than Fuhrman's. What would be the point? If someone feels that way, what would be the reason to be on the site? To convince Dr. Fuhrman that he's not helping people? It's difficult enough to follow a program, particularly for those whose health is poor, or whose heredity presents a difficult challenge. It is easy to become discouraged at times. It is not helpful to have "debate" in this case. Is it helpful to got to an AA meeting, and insist that the 12 steps are not the best methods to overcome alcoholism? There would be better venues for such discussion.
There are costs to running the site, including paid staff, and many hours of Dr. Fuhrman's own time daily. One additional benefit of the fee is that people not interested in the program are not wasting time there.
Re: Dr. Fuhrman's site is now up to $159/yr as of June 2010.
In my opinion, it's the best health dollar spent. Just last night, I decided to add broccoli sprouts and assorted sprouts, an ounce or two, to my program. I never would have been aware that good research suggests adding sprouts to my program. I never would have been aware that good research suggests adding mushrooms and onions to my program (another recent change). I never would have stumbled upon a program like Dr. Fuhrman's on my own, without his insight and time.
Dr. Fuhrman spends hours on the website almost every day, answering detailed questions. Just yesterday, he answered a question of mine. There are costs to running the site, including staff salaries.
All the other sites have virtually none of the doctor's time, and, while they are valuable sites, I believe Dr. Fuhrman has the best health insight, by far. He also has the best understanding of individual variation, and has the best adaptation of the diet to individual needs. There are also 42 newsletters, many recorded teleconferences, recipes, and discussion boards available for search, to answer a very wide range of questions.
Also, the member to member discussion is very active.
While the cost of the site is not inconsequential, in the scheme of our health, the cost is very small. The health advice on the site is usually different than anyplace else, and I believe, very beneficial. I always find the research support for Dr. Fuhrman's position to be convincing, whenever there is a disagreement with another positon.
I disagree with Dr. Fuhrman on fluoride toothpaste (I am in favor of it. He feels there is inadequate long term information). I disagree with Dr. Fuhrman on glucosamine/ chondroitin (I believe it is very beneficial, he believes it is helpful to a few, although not harmful).
Ultimately, it's each person's choice.
I'll do my best to bring all the wisdom I can, to this board.
Dr. McDougall has been curing heart patients, diabetics, etc, for 30 years. His website is a source of great enthusiasm, and testamonials of success. Dr. McDougall is trying to get funding for a study on Multiple Sclerosis.
Jeff Novick is a world class nutritionist, on a discussion board on Dr. McDougall's website. I met him at the Pritikin Center, where Jeff used to be a lecturer.View Thread
Dr. Ornish, a cardiologist, has made terrific contributions to medical science.
He was the first to demonstrate reversal of atherosclerosis in humans.
He published a study with Prostate Cancer patients who had chosen watchful waiting. Patients were randomly assigned to a control group, who had standard medical care (whatever diet recommended, etc), and the Ornish lifestyle group, plus medical care. Both groups had 7% cell apoptosis at the beginning of the study (cancer cell suicide in a test tube). At the end of the study, the control group still had 7%. The Ornish group had 70%. WoW
He published a study with pomegranate juice (PJ) and heart patients. After drinking 8 oz PJ daily for 3 months, there was improved blood flow to the heart increased (myocardial perfusion). The control group that had drank a sports drink of similar color, taste and calories, worsened.
Dr. Ornish has opened lifestyle centers that teach his program of diet, exercise, stress reduction and support. He has demonstrated that these centers cost less money to treat patients, compared to standard medications and surgical procedures, and has got insurance companies to cover the lifestyle treatment. The life insurance companies did not want to cover lifestyle, because this reduces medical costs, and reduces life insurance profits. (As medical costs skyrocket, the insurance company takes their cut, and their profits skyrocket.)View Thread
Dr. Esselstyn published dramatic improvements in heart disease, in a 7 year followup, 12 year followup, and the book "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease" for a 20 year followup, on the improvements with severe heart patients. His website includes a pre-post angiogram showing dramatic reversal of atherosclerosis, in one of his patients.
Dr. Esselstyn's results are far ahead of standard medical care.View Thread