To Wrkinprogrss: I am sorry for your suffering and allergies, it is bad enough to have one without both. I can emphasize as I can not use aspirin or related products yet I need them. Fentanyl works for me for chronic pain and recently I was told to use muscle relaxers for my back pain as I also have disks out of place. To my surprise the relaxers work and helped stop some of the worst pain I have at least for a short time. I do not know what you can do about allergic reaction, but you might try to go to the Mayo Clinic or some place with the same reputation to see if there is help for your allergies. If you are financially able you might research pain centers located in other countries? Sometimes they are working in areas that have not yet been looked at In America or due to restrictions American centers are not willing to get involved in. I pray that you will find relief soon.View Thread
Your statements are correct, you should only do what the doctor tells you and you should come off any kind of pain medicine slowly. Just after the Vietnam war ended there was a study that showed that addiction was low if you had real pain. Also many Vietnam veterans stopped all pain medicine after returning without doing it slowly and did not an addiction problem. I do not know where to find this study now and it is an old one. I have read of newer studies showing similar results, so I believe the addiction problem is over stated and that some people get addiction confused with withdrawal reactions. If you are still having pain I encourage you to visit pain mgt. specialists and investigate non opioid medications and other techniques of pain control. Good Luck.View Thread
Fawwaza, I agree with the others you need to talk to your doctor about this immediately. I do not know what you have, but I did have a similar experience after a pain mgt. doctor tried me on some type of morphine pills that were time released. Each time I tried one I had sever pain in the abdominal area up the right side and under my rib cage. It was worst than the pain I was trying to control with these pills. After talking with my doctor I found out that since I had my gallbladder removed a few years before trying this medicine, that that could be the cause of my pain. The doctor said the gallbladder puts out some kind of enzyme that helps metabolize the pain medicine and since I had no gallbladder I had a problem. He gave me something to take with the pills and it helped, but I still stopped the morphine pills.View Thread
A lot of what I started this discussion was that an objective measure of pain would keep authorities from limiting doctors from giving out pain medicine. The authorities seem to think that many of the pain patients are faking their pain to get drugs for recreation. In stead of a self rating scale, which anybody could lie about, if there was a valid objective measuring device the authorities could not argue about what doctors decide to give out.
Another thing is the tems unit that I tried, it seemed that more pain did not help stop the pain I was feeling. However, it might be helpful if the authorities and even medical students had one taped to the middle of their backs and turn on to the highest setting and then had to wear it until the battery died, they might get a small idea of what patients feel when they have continuous low level pain. I do not want anyone to suffer, but maybe if they knew some of what pain patients felt they would not be so quick to critize others. I remember one medical school that required students to have to wear a leg cast and go around in a wheelchair for a day or two so they could better unstand what their future patients went throough.View Thread
To: CTBeth the scale is good, but the problem is many in authority think that people are acting to get strong pain medicine from doctors. The advantage of finding an objective devise for measuring pain would be that no one could claim that doctors are being fooled by good actors. It maybe that the patient will have to go without pain medicine for a period of time while wearing a measuring device. But then the doctor will know for certain that they have pain. If the device is good it maybe that it will even let doctors regulate the level of pain medicine that a person needs. Nothing in the medical field has not been developed without some type of research. Without this research no one would be living as long or as well as they are now. Something must be developed or the authorities will continue to try to limit what kind and how much pain medicine a doctor can give. In most cases when a person heals they no longer need medicine, but with chronic pain patients no one knows how to treat the condition so that the patient can heal, therefore the pain continues even after the need for the pain has gone away. I am an excellent example of this as one of my pains comes from a missing limb that has happened a long time ago. Sill the pain is there at times. Even low level pain when it continues over a long time can cause a person to become irritable, hostile and not be able to work or even function in most situations. The pain does not have to be high if it is continous it can drive a person up the wall and make them do things they would not normally do.View Thread
Gram23 You are right. The pain I have varies from little to extreme. I figure if I get to 10 I'll find a way to end it all. When I have extreme pain I know that it will usually get better, but the one time it lasted too long and I went to the ER, what ever they gave me did not help. One time I was in for surgery (minor) and the nurse told me to push a button for pain medicine. Well after a while when it did no good to push the button I called the nurse and told her something must be wrong? She said I had used all of the medicine, but the pain felt the same as when they took me into recovery. Then I remembered when I lost my leg an was in the hospital it took a lot of pain medicine and sleeping pills for me to get just a few hours of sleep. At that time I had never taken anything stronger than an asprin. Now I know that I am very sensative to pain and have a high tolerance for pain medicine. I read that they found a difference in the DNA of those who experience pain very strongly and I would love to have my DNA tested for that.View Thread
The reason there is a petition to restrict how much pain medicine doctors can give except to cancer patients is the real problem. Officals feel that too many patients are acting and saying they have pain to get drugs, even though studies do not support this. Many times officals do what they think is right without real support and unfortunately they do not care since they can say they are fighting drug abuse even when they are not. If they approve the restrictions then many pain patients will be forced to suffer or die and most officals will not care what they do.View Thread
The big problem is that with rating scales anyone can lie to get drugs. With research it maybe possible to develop an objective measure of pain for each individual. Yes every person experiences pain differently, but there maybe a way to evaluate how much pain a person is experiencing. A new report shows that the DNA of people more senative to pain is different that the DNA of others. I am no researcher but with time and effort anything can be developed. There are some people who want to restrict how much pain medicine a doctor can give. This would be real trouble for those with pain. There goal is to stop giving pain medicine to those with no real pain, but they are going to through out the baby with the bath water. If an objective method can be found to show that a person has pain then it would show doctors who needs pain medicine and those who could do without it. If their petition goes thru to the FDA then anyone except cancer patients will be limited to only 90 days of opioid pain medicine after that they will have to do with tylenol or asprin. Yet you and I know there are many people who have severe pain even though they do not have cancer. An objective devise that can measure if a person has real pain or not and even better if they can develop one that will show how much pain each individual experiences then doctors can justify the pain medicine for them and at the same time cut off people who are just good actors, but do not really have pain.View Thread
Jessdes, It is true you have to find the right doctor. I recently read a new study regarding DNA that said they have found that certain people who are very sensative to pain have a different DNA code than other people who can tolerate pain better. I believe I saw this in Discover magazine or on Discover.com. It is still new and I feel that the best answer is to find a devise that can measure the amount of pain an individual felt so that a doctor did not have to rely on a pain scale.View Thread
cweinbi, I do not know if it helps much, but a friend of mine told me that many years ago during or after the Vietnam war there was a study done of Vietnam veterans who had received a lot of pain medication. They found that a very small percent of the Vietnam veterans who had been treated with heavy pain medication developed any kind of adiction or dependence on drugs after leaving the military. I believe the figure was about 2%, but I have not been able to find this study. I do not know where this was published or when it was done. I lost my leg in Vietnam and have always had strong phantom limb pain even after 40 years. Even when I was in the army hostipal in Vietnam the "so called pain killer" did little to help, but it was worst when I got stateside and here in the army hospital they refused to give us anything stronger than tylenol. This was even though I could not sleep and when I did sleep the others in my ward said I would moan in my sleep and make it hard for them to sleep. I could understand the doctors to a point as I was on an all amputee ward and some amputees had no pain or just minor sensation or itching, while some of us had severe pain.
After discharge from the army the VA would give me something called darvocet 64, I think, so I also took a lot of tylenol along with this. Asprin or related medications made me sick and I would bleed easily if I took them. The VA refused to give me anything stronger and they did regular blood test on me and never said anything. Later a private doctor I was seeing did a blood test for some reason, and asked if I did street drugs or used alcohol. I did not and I explained what I was taking for pain. He was the first to give me stronger medicine for pain and he warned me to stop taking tylenol as my liver was becoming damaged from the tyelenol. If he had not told me I might have killed mysself due to liver damage from tylenol. The VA doctors did not say anything to me about it. Even now the VA will not give me any strong pain medicine, I have to get it from a private doctor. Since then I now have arthritis, fibromyalgia, and nerve pain that is extremely strong in my stump, but fortunately it does not come often.View Thread