Hi, Thank you for clearing that up I really mis-understood what they were getting at and it made no sense to me. I had always had to see my PM DR once a month. It may be a hassle but if it is what keeps the programs going I don't see the problem. However, the FDA and the DEA do seem to go hand in hand one requires the other. I just wish there could be a more logical conclusion to the all insanity that their efforts are causing.
Who says chronic pain isn't fatal? They simply have no way of statistically putting it into their studies, how could they gauge the lives lost to what depression and chronic pain have caused? You listed just a few of the side affects of what chronic pain results in. If we were simply wanting to do drugs for the fun of it why would we spend so much time, energy, and money trying to get proper treatment. Especially when it would probably be much more cost effective to get it off the streets and just skip all the heartache, stigmas, and disappointment we put ourselves thru just trying to find a pain management program that works. This attack on our PM system is so counter productive and has come on so quickly that I am at a loss as to how to deal with it. I know we need to write to our Congressman, etc. but for some reason I feel like we need a more aggressive way to deal with this dilemma as the DEA has just taken it upon themselves at will with what seems to be little thought to the long term outcome of leaving chronic pain sufferers out in the cold.
And, as for this 90 day deadline on prescribing opiates for pain relief seems totally backwards to me. At least in my case I had been through 2 years of surgeries and treatments before my DR sent me into pain management where I finally did get the medication I needed and yes it is addictive but so is breathing air and having some kind of quality of life. It allowed me to return to work which is something I am at a loss for now because I cannot find a PM Dr who will simply follow the plan my PM DR. had for me so here I sit wondering just do I do now? So I have no idea how they can figure depression and chronic pain is not fatal, it might not be sudden but it sure feels fatal to me.View Thread
This is like asking if the chicken came before the egg!! How much and for how long can a person deal with chronic pain and what it does to our life before depression really does become a reality? I would never admit to depression, thought it was a waste of time and I was stronger than that. Of course over the course of 4 years and 3 surgeries I had lost pretty much everything I had worked for, not til then did it dawn on me that I just might be depressed. It strips us of our energy and ambition, but if we can manage the pain the depression takes care of itself quite often. Last time I was injured I went back to school and majored in Criminal Justice, a field I really want to pursue. Seeing what the DEA is dealing with on our borders and the drugs the cartels are sending into our country like its bubble gum is and atrocity. I know I keep repeating this but drugs on our streets were bad before just what do they think cracking down on a manageable system is going to do for the war on drugs? There is an enormous amount of blood being spilled on our borders over this and we are making the drug cartels rich and more dangerous everyday!!!
Hello, Please don't think I am naïve to the plight of our physicians, however, I am not referring to short term pain management but for those of us who have been there and done all the procedures to rectify our pain and failed. Using short term pain meds is self defeating as we just build a tolerance to them and they are just as addictive as what pain management Dr.s use for long term pain relief. The only difference is that long term pain relief has worked, at least for me, and as I think we all have agreed, there must be a system of checks and balances for the system not only to protect us but for those Dr.s who do continue to manage our pain. Patients with short term pain issues should be concerned with their medications, however, I am not that lucky and what I deal with will never go away so I would rather manage it so I have a life than to worry about the addictive side of it. At least this way I have records to substantiate my treatment.
I am just so against opening up this country to more drug abuse which is what is resulting from tying the hands of our pain management programs as it is simply making the cartels rich and far more powerful than most people realize.
I don't support our health system handing addictive pain killers out like candy but we CAN do something with our health system but the real 'war on drugs' is not happening in our pain management system!!!!
Hi Again, I was just re-reading your post and speaking of other drugs being abolished it made me think of these TV adds introducing new drugs, about 10 seconds is about how the drug will help and the remainder of the entire add is all of its side affects, My god, they sound down right horrifying and yet they are easily obtainable. It is just all so hypocritical. And, yes, I do understand they are just covering their rear ends, but REALLY?View Thread
You have covered it in a nutshell really!! My job forces me to move at least 3 times a year. When I finally was able to re-vocate myself I stayed in the horse racing business so moving is jst part of it. I have had the ame basic PM since 1997 until 2011 and I went from CA to LA to Denver and managed to find DR.s BECAUSE I did have my history of my PM DR.s records. So, when I had to move back to NM I just figured I woud go thru the same prodical. OMG what a nightmare, I have been a Methadone patient for all that time and as u point out th attached stigma is like packing a ball and chain around but it WORKED!! I had a life, a job, etc. BUT I could not find a DR who would continue or manage my meds. they made me feel ike a low life junkie and then I ran out and came of it cold turkey! Believe me Hollywood movies do not exaggerate the nightmare, I checked myself into the ER at least 2 or 3 times and they did not so much as offer any kind of help. I mean my God don't they have any kind of help for someone who thinks they are near death? At anyrate, I still maintain we are much the voiceless victims in the governments war on drugs, which I soley support with all my heart, But if PM is the only way they can show some type of statistical success in their endeavor someone has seriously dropped the ball and allowed a huge injustice those of us who 'are' Americans, trying to abide by the system!!!!! I just can't believe we are not the victims of some poorly constructed political endeavor and we have no voice on Capital Hill!!! If PM DR.s were simply dishing out drugs and there was no way to monitor them the issue would hold water, however, our government was formed on the ideals of 'checks and balances' which in this case CAN be done. Dr.s are required to keep their records much more explicitly, urine tests are conducted to check patients use, etc. I know whatever their protocol to monitor their patients must be I `am certainly for it as those of us in need have nothing to hide. I want to work and have a life just as I am sure everyone here does, I don't want to be on SSI simply because I can not get the care I need. GOD, is any one out there listening to us, what will it take?
I say it again, all this is doing is supporting the drug cartels WHO making millions off of our country! Our Border Patrol is out manned, out gunned, and don't have near the technology that the cartels have at their disposal not to mention the fact that we are dealing with an organization are not held to any standards at all. Killing people in the streets is like a trip to Walmart for the average shopper. It is much more difficult for the DEA to show successful statistics where the real problem is than it is to subject Pain management to try and get support for their war on drugs. How do we fight for our rights when even the pain management system is feeling defeated because of the red tape they must work thru to treat us. I had one DR point blank tell me that he won't mange meds because he doesn't want the headache, of course it didn't bother him to charge me almost $300 just to send me home with no help!!!
Anyway, I am willing to do whatever it takes for someone to hear our injustice who Can do something, I am so appalled to see how many of us there are and that is just here, I know I have been going thru this all alone thinking it was just me so this site has been a real eye opener for me,
THANK YOU! \ ling defeated and many good DR.s have that when not eve View Thread
I share your entire experience! And wonder why we are so left on our own. I was 35 when I had my wreck and 41 when work comp released me into the care of pain management where I finally found salvation. For 10 years I never had a problem then I had to move to New Mexico and CAN NOT find a PM Dr who isn't afraid to just treat me. I have been thru all the injections therapy and on and on and found between meds and a good chiropractor I could keep my job. BUT now here sit with no help. I can get Vicodin or Percocet but those things are not meant for long term pain as we build up such a resistance to them. So, no I don't think you are alone, I just don't know how to fight the government on this!
You are right we should all be our own advocates and part of that is knowing what the DEA is trying to accomplish. What makes me crazy is while they take this ar on drugs to our Pain Management Dr.s making harder ad harder on those of this why don't they include the statistics on what the war on drugs is costing our country to fight the cartels and the blood shed on our borders? I find it easy to line up statistics and be beauracratical for our government to act upon what sounds like they can control. But, I can assure you the statistics on the deaths and over doses for the drugs the cartels are bringing in our country make pain management deaths look minor! I have to many friends who fight this war, friends whose kids who I never would have thought to be so vulnerable are either dead or in jail. The cartels have so much money and power now that in order for the DEA to address the war on drugs they take it to where they can show some results! I am not trying to be naïve about prescription drug abuse but Pain Management clinics keep records and check up on their patients, the DEA CAN see to that but to make it so hard for us to get legitimate treatment is insane!! Not to mention the fact that I really want to work and have had to quit because I simply can't get thru it anymore. Nobody supports our DEA on our borders where the blood and lives are being lost and that is before those drugs even infiltrate our country. Any way thank you for your reply,View Thread
Hi, You sound like your prognosis is very complicated, sorry. My experience with a DR who pussy footed about what to do with my neck injury took him over 2 years of agonizing pain both personally and physically til he finally operated and fused the discs. By that time I had developed such chronic pain he just gave up and sent me to pain management. My point is this, don't let them drag whatever they plan on doing or not doing. Try to explore other options before they just dangle you because they don't have a good answer. Certainly doesn't mean someone else can't find better options for you. Sorry, don't mean to sound bossy I just had such nightmare with this, they tried all the injections, therapy, and whatever they could do. I think being a Work Comp patient played its own part but I will pay for that the rest of my life. I hope you find a more satisfying DR., don't them bully you as contrary to what they may think they are not 'God'!!!! Follow your gut instinct, you know your body and pain better than anyone.
OH God bless the DEA!!! While the war on drugs flourishes and our Border patrols are out manned, out gunned, and simply can't compete with the bank roll the cartels have to spend to keep their business flourishing! Our tax dollars could be much better spent, at lest I would think the DEA would be more inclined to managing the manageable such as our pain management system. I never had any trouble with my pain management Dr. in fact, I think she saved my life. The I had to move and haven't found a real pain management Dr since that will carry on with the program I was on. So I would say the someone is making it very hard on Dr.s to treat pain patients. Anyway, I don't know what the answer is but I do know I was working and had a life. Now I just feel defeated. What I do know for sure is that the cartels are doing far more damage to our country and our children than any pain management clinic that is up to standards can possibly ever cause!!! People think we are fighting a war over seas they should check out the blood spilled on our borders and in our country as well.View Thread