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" I guess I have some weird expectation that people are going be accountable for the things they say or agree to do. When they aren't, there's a "lie" in there somewhere. I've recently expressed the idea of the "lies" his words and actions present with me. He acknowledged his words/actions aren't in sync but admitted the thought hadn't crossed his mind that he was lying to himself and coming across as lying to someone else."
That passage, I have said before, is the essence of where he is at now. He realizes the lack of honesty he has with himself isn't fair to himself or anyone else...and that it is not his fault. He is worried he won't be able to fix this. Relieving the pressure he has felt in our marriage is a good first step I think. I asked him if he is considering counselling. I've suggested it in the past, and he has used time and money as an excuse. I think what it boils down to is him finding someone he can trust. I hope he works toward that...
I was pretty proud of myself with our heart to heart yesterday. I managed to hold back my emotions, and gave him my honesty as well. We had a good discussion...this isn't where either one of us wanted to end up. This is where we are regardless.View Thread

Once you get beyond that stage, you start noticing things you really like, and things that annoy you. Each person opens up more about it because they are entering the comfortable stage. At this point, its seems it would be better to live separately so each person has time & space to reflect without the influence of the other. But at some point if the relationship is moving in the direction of marriage I think it makes perfect sense to live together.
I think these steps can help a couple on the path to realizing they are on the right track together or not. I've started thinking it might also be beneficial to live separately (if possible) for a few month before getting married - if of course you are living together. And I don't think couples counselling would hurt either...I think these things could help ensure a solid foundation for enduring a good marriage.View Thread

In my case, I thought time and space would help. I've held on to the glimpes of hope to no avail. I see no resolve to our "limbo" unless I take contol and let him know enough is enough. This is no way I want to continue in life. I've come to realize for my own sanity and well being, I have to do that for myself. I hope you are able to get to that point and move on so you can be there 110% for your little man.
Even though I didn't initiate the mess, apparently the door prize is that its mine to clean up. Whoever this person is, they are not that loving committed person they once were, or appeared to be...but that doesn't make it any easier to accept.View Thread

I am ready to move forward in some way. Living like this is no longer an option for me. I agree its time for me to put my well-being first. My head is fighting to put my heart aside, and winning. I need an answer, I need some peace of mind. I intend to get it.
It hasn't all been about this other girl...I talk about that a lot here because its been the most hurtful issue between us that we can't seem to talk about. I've had a hard time moving past it because I don't understand it. So I come here looking to make peace with it...as futile as that may seem.View Thread

You asked about the sexual side of our relationship...I haven't been side-stepping your question intentionally. First let me make it clear I was the first woman he allowed himself to fall in love with. At the time I didn't realize the significance of this, but I did proceed with caution under the circumstances. Up until that point he had two girlfriends for a short amount of time...no real romantic relationship, no sex. He was 21 when he confessed his love to me in front of two of his sisters after a crisis meeting with a counsellor...two of his sisters were there for support. When he told me how he felt, it made me realize just how strong my feelings were for him and that I was holding back. It was the sweetest thing and I let myself go with him. Gotta run...will post more later.View Thread

At the time I thought all of this was a phase he was going through and I didn't think things would progress as they did. I didn't present him with an ultimatum then because we were communicating about our issues. He said he wanted to work on things between us and we had made headway on some of our issues. He didn't see the two of them as an issue between us...hence the big, fat, white, elephant in the room.
You're right, his behavior with me was disrespectful. A few months ago, he came to me (all on his own) apologizing for his behavior with this girl. He said it was shameful. I know he was being sincere. I still have no understanding of why...which is my fault for not pursuing an answer to that.
I am at a point where I am ready to put the ball completely in his court. For a long time now I hadn't seen that when he left he put the ball in my court. I do see that now, but I've also discussed with him on a few occasions where I stood with us. I've struggled with this "ball in who's court" thing for so long because when we were in counselling our counsellor said "the one who's unhappiest gets what they want". When he chose to leave saying he wanted a divorce, I took that to mean he would pursue it. His waffling and choice not to move on it aren't speaking definitive volumes with me.View Thread



But first a little about this "other" woman I've mentioned. I agree she filled in a gap with him somewhere, but honestly I'm not sure I understand it. I've struggled over his (and her) pushing their friendship as they did, causing distance between me and him...especially when I voiced my concerns with BOTH of them early on. He would say no to me, and yes to her no matter what she wanted. In part that's because she wouldn't take no for an answer...and why she & I didn't click was because I was more than willing to say no to her. So, she would get what she wanted from him...very conniving. Things like planning parties with him at our house, planning my daughters 16th birthday surprise without involving me, getting him to take her to dinner/movies pretty regularly, planning overnight camping trips not including me...and so much more. It seemed like a game to her, and I did express with him to be careful as I was afraid he would get hurt in a big way. At first he would ask if I was ok with these things. At times I was, but the frequency was beyond my comfort level. If I told him I wasn't ok, he still went ahead and did whatever she wanted. At times plans were made totally unbeknownst to me...then he'd say oh I thought I told you. It was really sad seeing him let her pull his puppet strings and clearly it pretty one sided. She used him to get what she wanted...very manipulatively. I guess he probably got what he wanted also, but he was always doing "favors" for her...didn't see favors being returned from her. It got to me how well they responded to each other...I've been very sensitive over the years not to be manipulative with him knowing how his father was with him and oddly enough this is what he responds to?? It's not that I don't understand that...it hurts. Another thing that was really hurt was was their incessant flirting in front of me and the texting every day...I am the wife, yet I felt like a third wheel, non-existent at times. She is IMHO responsible for putting a wedge between us. I don't however deny that both he and I share responsibility for that as well.
I do think you are right that she is one of those ppl who likes to have what she can't have...I say this because things between them subsided during our separations. Not completely but its like it wasn't as much fun for her when I wasn't around...KWIM?
Last month she moved half was across the globe for work. I'm not sure if or how they may communicate - it sounded like her only form of contact would be through the internet and for him that would be a challenge if at all possible. Since she moved, his communications with me have lessened and have a stark blandness to them. Just before she left, he sent me texts indicating he missed me, was thinking of me every day, and wanted to see me. I reciprocated. Given what you offered, I'm confused because I'm not sure who's waffling here...much less how to move past it.
Maybe I am wrong, but how else would you view it when a person consistently (I am not talking about a once in a while thing) mismatches their words and actions with you? I'm not calling the person a liar, but there is lack of truth between the words he tells me and the actions that follow...it comes across in a way that I'm not sure what to believe. It's new behavior from him and its confusing.
OTOH, I hadn't really considered that he may view my actions as waffling. I haven't acted because I feel the ball is in his court...he said he wanted a divorce and moved in with his sister 10 months ago. Six months ago, everyone except me told him to throw in the towel and give up his business. I supported him through a very tough time emotionally, that he must keep plugging away no matter how tough it is - now isn't the time to give up on what he loves to do. He chose to stick with it - against all odds and he's glad he did.View Thread
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